M1 - wow

maurvir · Post by **maurvir** » Tue Jan 26, 2021 2:08 pm

Microsoft being Microsoft, they might do something like that - however, a sane company wouldn't want to cannibalize their own products that way. Apple's M1 based Macs blow pretty much everything Microsoft is peddling out of the water, which would lead to a situation where people by Macbook Pros to run Windows.

From a certain standpoint, that is great for both companies, but it makes the Surface line look like a waste of time.

Pariah · Post by **Pariah** » Tue Jan 26, 2021 9:40 pm

I can see the M series taking over Mac laptops and consumer oriented desktops but the M series will have to grow quite a bit to be a fit for the Pro. 16GB of ram just won't cut it, no ecc ram is an issue, nothing to match a 24 core, 48 thread Xeon.

TOS · Post by **TOS** » Wed Jan 27, 2021 10:53 pm

you couldn't be more wrong

the web is full of guys trying to deal with the quantifiable fact that an $899 mac mini with 16 gigs of ram beats their $20k mac pro

the way ram works on these silicon chips is different

avkills · Post by **avkills** » Thu Jan 28, 2021 12:02 am

The current M1s are not beating Mac Pros at anything except single core performance, and nobody buys a Mac Pro for single core performance. But the writing is on the wall that if Apple can scale this ARM design correctly, they will produce something that truly embarrasses Intel and AMD.

ECC RAM is no big deal. You think Apple does not know how to integrate a memory controller into the M design, that can access external RAM? What I expect is unified RAM up to 32 or 64GB, with the option to add other RAM that is slower but still fast enough.

Metacell · Post by **Metacell** » Thu Jan 28, 2021 4:11 am

Your SSD is basically RAM at this point, and your RAM is just the tertiary on-chip cache.

wellfleation · Post by **wellfleation** » Sun Feb 07, 2021 6:50 pm

I just ordered a Apple M1 with a 8‑core GPU,
16GB unified memory
1TB SSD storage.
Picking it up tomorrow.
It will be an significant upgrade to my MacBook Pro (15-inch, Mid 2010), 2.66 GHz Intel Core i7 with 8 GB 1067 MHz DDR3.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

obvs · Post by **obvs** » Sun Feb 07, 2021 7:55 pm

Congratulations! That's a pretty big upgrade.

Pariah · Post by **Pariah** » Mon Feb 08, 2021 10:34 pm

I was listening to a Linux podcast today and one of the hosts brought up a good point during a discussion about the Linux on M1 project. He said it is unlikely that Linux will demonstrate the same performance on and M1 that the MacOS does because the Linux devs lack the deep knowledge of the platform that Apple devs have. Apple is an expert at optimizing for their hardware.
Thinking about it I would be surprised if Linux will ever run as good on a M1 Mac as MacOS does. The only way that could ever happen is if Apple were to release a comprehensive documentation of their new platform and I don't see them doing that.

macaddict4life · Post by **macaddict4life** » Mon Feb 08, 2021 11:07 pm

Keep in mind that the M1 Macs outperform nearly every shipping Mac when running in Rosetta 2. So even if Linux is never perfectly optimized, it should perform superbly. But it will likely mostly do so through VMs for most users.

maurvir · Post by **maurvir** » Tue Feb 09, 2021 9:59 am

Great, so Mac users will have the biggest bootloader ever.

wellfleation · Post by **wellfleation** » Tue Feb 09, 2021 8:53 pm

TOS wrote:
normally yes, but the m1 is incredible so i'm not at all worried

That was my thinking as well. I just picked up a maxed out Air yesterday and could not be happier.

Aaron_R · Post by **Aaron_R** » Tue Feb 09, 2021 9:48 pm

Apple re-blocks side loading of iOS apps on the M1, again.
https://9to5mac.com/2021/02/09/apple-on ... ipad-apps/

wellfleation · Post by **wellfleation** » Tue Feb 09, 2021 11:15 pm

Aaron_R wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 9:48 pm
Apple re-blocks side loading of iOS apps on the M1, again.
https://9to5mac.com/2021/02/09/apple-on ... ipad-apps/

Stinks developers were whining to Apple and forcing their hand. It's too bad, but if I was a developer I would want to sell two different versions of my app in iOS and desktop versions too. Look at 1Password as an example - jeesh. Pretty expensive and a subscription to boot! That's what this is all about of course - $$$.

Beleaguered Intel delays its 7nm chips yet again, now expected in 2022 or 2023:
https://macdailynews.com/2021/02/09/bel ... 2-or-2023/

Aaron_R · Post by **Aaron_R** » Wed Feb 10, 2021 8:15 am

It's less about the devs and more about Apple greed. Mobile devices apps their are plenty freebie versions of things with ad supported revenue paying for them. This is more to do with Apple wanting their 30% cut off of things, all the more reason Epic better WIN their suit vs them.

Windows 7/8 used to run Microsoft mobile programs
Google OS can run Android programs
Apple wants that $$$ by forcing users through their backend

TOS · Post by **TOS** » Fri Feb 12, 2021 9:06 am

well human waste ... i bought the wife a whole workstation setup, built around an m1 mini and only after setting it up did i realize it doesn't support more than one monitor

what the fiddlesticks, apple?

ukimalefu · Post by **ukimalefu** » Fri Feb 12, 2021 9:34 am

TOS wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 9:06 am
well human waste ... i bought the wife a whole workstation setup, built around an m1 mini and only after setting it up did i realize it doesn't support more than one monitor

what the fiddlesticks, apple?

wut? I had to google it

uh... it does?

you may need a "3rd party solution" (hack?), or wait for an update from Apple

https://www.macworld.co.uk/how-to/how-c ... c-3799794/

more on that

https://www.macrumors.com/2020/11/24/m1 ... -displays/

TOS · Post by **TOS** » Fri Feb 12, 2021 11:32 am

i tried that app, it didn't work

Lombo · Post by **Lombo** » Fri Feb 12, 2021 12:49 pm

That is a weird limitation. I wonder why and if it can be addressed in a future mac os update. Will you return it or buy a bigger monitor ?

TOS · Post by **TOS** » Fri Feb 12, 2021 4:34 pm

stick with it for now, i did get her a nice 27" screen and that's enough for now

Robert B. · Post by **Robert B.** » Fri Feb 12, 2021 6:25 pm

I ordered a Mini and a 34" ultra wide monitor. Should be kickin' ass next week.

wellfleation · Post by **wellfleation** » Fri Feb 12, 2021 9:08 pm

Very nice

maurvir · Post by **maurvir** » Fri Feb 12, 2021 9:30 pm

Robert B. wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 6:25 pm
I ordered a Mini and a 34" ultra wide monitor. Should be kickin' ass next week.

Pariah · Post by **Pariah** » Fri Feb 12, 2021 10:36 pm

I tried tree monitors but never really used the third one. Two 24in screens works for me.

TOS · Post by **TOS** » Fri Feb 12, 2021 11:05 pm

the additional monitor needs to have usb-c input or it won't be recognized

lucky me i just bought a brand new monitor that doesn't have that

Pariah · Post by **Pariah** » Sat Feb 13, 2021 6:11 am

Can't you get an USB3 to HDMI adaptor?

https://www.amazon.com/s?k=USB3+HDMI+Ad ... _sb_noss_2

wellfleation · Post by **wellfleation** » Sat Feb 13, 2021 8:17 pm

Every app opens in 1 bounce or less

kamizuno · Post by **kamizuno** » Sun Feb 14, 2021 1:51 pm

wellfleation wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 8:17 pm
Every app opens in 1 bounce or less

just for fun I decided to count bounces on my 1 year old MacBook Air, 6 bounces for safari, 20 bounces for GarageBand, 25 bounces for iMovie....

TOS · Post by **TOS** » Sun Feb 14, 2021 2:29 pm

Pariah wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 6:11 am
Can't you get an USB3 to HDMI adaptor?

https://www.amazon.com/s?k=USB3+HDMI+Ad ... _sb_noss_2

tried, no dice

i'm returning the second monitor i bought and i ordered one with a usb-c input

Aaron_R · Post by **Aaron_R** » Sun Feb 14, 2021 2:34 pm

Robert B. wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 6:25 pm
I ordered a Mini and a 34" ultra wide monitor. Should be kickin' ass next week.

welcome to the ultrawidemasterrace you'll never go back after using one

wellfleation · Post by **wellfleation** » Sun Feb 14, 2021 2:48 pm

kamizuno wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 1:51 pm
wellfleation wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 8:17 pm
Every app opens in 1 bounce or less

just for fun I decided to count bounces on my 1 year old MacBook Air, 6 bounces for safari, 20 bounces for GarageBand, 25 bounces for iMovie....

So you know when you get a brand new Mac and its the latest and greatest, and you are psyched, but you open an app here and there that still still make you second guess and question it's speed and feel it should be faster? That doesn't happen with the M1 MBA. It exceeds expectations if anything and to me is a bargain. I think this may be the fastest bestest laptop/computer I have ever used. It's not "snappy" the thing is a beast. It's been less than a week but man... Zero noise (like using an iPad), zero heat, the 15 hour battery is a conservative estimate, and this thing just flies like no Mac I've ever used.

Post by dv » Mon Feb 15, 2021 6:12 pm

Welp, my dad ordered an M1 mini and is all excited now.

wellfleation · Post by **wellfleation** » Mon Feb 15, 2021 6:20 pm

MS 365 suite I DL from the App Store and I think should be optimized for the M1... All the Office apps seem to take about 6 bounces to load. A fast 6 bounces but I believe MS can do way better.

TOS · Post by **TOS** » Mon Feb 15, 2021 6:24 pm

wellfleation wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 6:20 pm
I believe MS can do way better.

that about sums up the last 40 years

Lombo · Post by **Lombo** » Mon Feb 15, 2021 8:35 pm

TOS wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 2:29 pm
Pariah wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 6:11 am
Can't you get an USB3 to HDMI adaptor?

https://www.amazon.com/s?k=USB3+HDMI+Ad ... _sb_noss_2

tried, no dice

i'm returning the second monitor i bought and i ordered one with a usb-c input

i saw an app on twitter for m1 mac to connect another screen.

its called screen connect

wellfleation · Post by **wellfleation** » Tue Feb 16, 2021 4:19 pm

Now people are modding their M1 Airs and putting thermopad heat sinks in and seeing a 20% performance jump in Cinebench which is crazy. Obviously the MBA and the MBP are so close in performance Apple purposely neglected this easy solution. I mean, my M1 Air does not even feel warm but it does slightly throttle down in extreme situations a little apparently. Again, this is the coolest notebook I've ever used to begin with but apparently a little goes a long way! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2MOjrLFpwQ

Aaron_R · Post by **Aaron_R** » Tue Feb 16, 2021 5:39 pm

wellfleation wrote: ↑Tue Feb 16, 2021 4:19 pm
Now people are modding their M1 Airs and putting thermopad heat sinks in and seeing a 20% performance jump in Cinebench which is crazy. Obviously the MBA and the MBP are so close in performance Apple purposely neglected this easy solution. I mean, my M1 Air does not even feel warm but it does slightly throttle down in extreme situations a little apparently. Again, this is the coolest notebook I've ever used to begin with but apparently a little goes a long way! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2MOjrLFpwQ

Linus already showed that Apple purposely did the air gap so that it would not violate the regulation for acceptable thermal temperatures on a portable device. Also do you really want to increase the stress of your battery by exposing it to these new increased thermals?

wellfleation · Post by **wellfleation** » Tue Feb 16, 2021 8:26 pm

Aaron_R wrote: ↑Tue Feb 16, 2021 5:39 pm
wellfleation wrote: ↑Tue Feb 16, 2021 4:19 pm
Now people are modding their M1 Airs and putting thermopad heat sinks in and seeing a 20% performance jump in Cinebench which is crazy. Obviously the MBA and the MBP are so close in performance Apple purposely neglected this easy solution. I mean, my M1 Air does not even feel warm but it does slightly throttle down in extreme situations a little apparently. Again, this is the coolest notebook I've ever used to begin with but apparently a little goes a long way! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2MOjrLFpwQ

Linus already showed that Apple purposely did the air gap so that it would not violate the regulation for acceptable thermal temperatures on a portable device. Also do you really want to increase the stress of your battery by exposing it to these new increased thermals?

Well the point is it DECREASES thermal temps so that throttling does not occur at all. Where are you getting it increases temps? You've totally missed the point.

maurvir · Post by **maurvir** » Tue Feb 16, 2021 8:29 pm

Aaron_R wrote: ↑Tue Feb 16, 2021 5:39 pm
wellfleation wrote: ↑Tue Feb 16, 2021 4:19 pm
Now people are modding their M1 Airs and putting thermopad heat sinks in and seeing a 20% performance jump in Cinebench which is crazy. Obviously the MBA and the MBP are so close in performance Apple purposely neglected this easy solution. I mean, my M1 Air does not even feel warm but it does slightly throttle down in extreme situations a little apparently. Again, this is the coolest notebook I've ever used to begin with but apparently a little goes a long way! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2MOjrLFpwQ

Linus already showed that Apple purposely did the air gap so that it would not violate the regulation for acceptable thermal temperatures on a portable device. Also do you really want to increase the stress of your battery by exposing it to these new increased thermals?

I doubt it affects the battery much at all. The first reason is why Apple didn't ship it that way - it would scorch your skin. However, if you never use it as an actual laptop, it would be fine.

wellfleation · Post by **wellfleation** » Wed Feb 17, 2021 6:08 am

My M1 feels cool to the touch if anything as it is now. I find it hard to believe that adding thermopads would cause the outside to "scorch your skin". No way. Maybe people are thinking of the old Intel laptops because the M1 is not in the same league in terms of temperatures. I would think of it more as an iPad in terms of heat.

TOS · Post by **TOS** » Wed Feb 17, 2021 11:04 am

nothing i've done has made my m1 air hot

the only time it felt a bit warm was when i was playing civ 6 in bed with the laptop sitting on a blanket

oh and by the way the mini works just fine with a second monitor ... one on hdmi, the other on usb-c