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Article about the MacBook Air

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The new MacBook Air with Apple’s M1 chip is a triumph.

In a week of testing, I have pushed this computer and its new Apple-made processor to its limits and found that those limits exceeded my expectations on nearly every level.

I’ve also used it in the way a MacBook Air is really meant to be used: as an everyday computer for workaday tasks. When doing so, I clocked eight and sometimes 10 hours of continuous use on battery.


Article about the new MacBook Pro 13"

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The easiest, best way to think about the new entry-level MacBook Pro is that it is a MacBook Air with a fan.

Seriously. The fan is the most notable difference between Apple’s two new laptops based on its own custom M1 chip: the new Air, which does not have a fan, has to throttle performance as temperatures rise. The Pro can just turn on the fan, which means it can sustain performance for a much longer period of time.

Sure, there are some other small differences: the Pro has a slightly better display and better mics and louder speakers. It has a bigger battery and thus, slightly longer battery life. And yes, it has the hopelessly confused Touch Bar instead of a function row on the keyboard. But in terms of performance, it is essentially the same as the Air unless you push it for long periods of time. And that all comes down to the fan.


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But if you’re excited about buying a new M1 Mac, is it worth the extra money over the Air? The long answer is a resounding… maybe.

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https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2020/11 ... ompetitor/

It's fast enough, apparently. Within its power budget, it is crushing x86-64 processors and going neck and neck with desktop processors.
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https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2020/11 ... ompetitor/

It's fast enough, apparently. Within its power budget, it is crushing x86-64 processors and going neck and neck with desktop processors.


I posted that link on the ARM event thread because it's based on the mini, and they say to wait for the actual review.
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By the way, adobe apps are running fine on rosetta 2
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iOS apps on these Macs? not great
One article I read last night suggested it takes a full 8 minutes of basically 100% usage of all cores to get any kind of thermal throttling from the processor.
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Damn. That's impressive.
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Here's the Mac mini review

APPLE MAC MINI WITH M1 REVIEW: OVER-PERFORMER

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the mini has a fan for cooling, but it also has the most efficiently cooled chassis of all the new M1 Macs. As a result, it’s technically the best performer — even if only by a smidge.

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The Verge likes them, Gizmodo likes them too

https://gizmodo.com/the-macbook-air-was ... 1845671122

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The M1 is definitely impressive: It easily keeps up with top-of-the-line laptop chips from Intel and AMD, and the MacBook Air can be much cheaper than machines that use those CPUs—if you don’t upgrade the RAM or storage.


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Continuing in the vein of total honesty, I admit that benchmarking a MacBook Air has never really been that exciting—until now.


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A fun game I played last Friday afternoon was run a series of CPU and GPU benchmarks on the Air and then send the results, one by one, to Gizmodo’s resident PC expert Joanna Nelius (a person who is genuinely thrilled by graphics card launches) and await her reaction. Every subsequent test result inspired at least one of the following exclamations, if not all three:

“Holy human waste. Holy stick fiddling human waste.”


“Wow wow wow.”

“WTF Apple?!?!”

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M1 MacBooks got some fans

https://www.theverge.com/2020/11/19/215 ... ompetition

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The new MacBook Air and MacBook Pro won’t be the perfect laptops for everyone, especially if you rely on huge, GPU-intensive tasks or specific developer tools. But when a $1,000 M1 laptop can outdo a maxed-out, $6,000 MacBook Pro with quadruple the RAM and Intel’s best chip, while also running cooler and quieter in a smaller and lighter form factor and with twice the battery life, where do competitors even go from here?

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Ars Technica M1 Mac mini review

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Apple is crazy, right? The Mac just had its best year of sales ever, and Cupertino is hitting the platform with a shock like it hasn’t had in nearly 15 years—back in a time when the Mac was not having such a good year. Apple is beginning the process of replacing industry-standard Intel chips with its own, custom-designed silicon.

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Not everything is perfect; we'll talk about iOS apps on the Mac and some other problems, too. But if this Mac mini proves anything, it's that Apple was not, in fact, crazy. The M1 makes Apple's strategy seem soberingly sane.

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For this machine, "think different" takes on a new and entirely literal meaning. "Here's to the crazy ones," indeed.

The good

Great performance across the board
Legacy x86 macOS app support and performance are generally rock solid
Low footprint in every respect: size, power, thermals
Everything that was good about the Mac mini before is still good

The bad

RAM and port options are limited
The iOS and iPadOS app experience is a mess

The ugly

The path for emulating x86 Windows is still unclear, and that’s an essential part of a lot of people's workflows

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The bad

RAM and port options are limited
The iOS and iPadOS app experience is a mess


iOS and iPad OS app experience... What does that have to do with the M1 macs?
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Just ordered a MacBook Air to replace my dad's 2009 iMac. Should be a big upgrade for him. Think this one will last 11 years? :p

Anyone have a recommendation for an affordable monitor with built in docking station? I want to make it as simple as possible for him.
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I love my Henge(Brydge) Dock. You can use them to hook up an external monitor and all of your accessories really easily.
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The bad

RAM and port options are limited
The iOS and iPadOS app experience is a mess


iOS and iPad OS app experience... What does that have to do with the M1 macs?


those Macs can run those apps, some of them, and it seems the "experience" with them isn't very good
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those Macs can run those apps, some of them, and it seems the "experience" with them isn't very good



Thank you! I ended up reading the leaked article when I found some spare time. I am not surprised iOS apps don't have an acceptable input interface for the more complex ones.
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those Macs can run those apps, some of them, and it seems the "experience" with them isn't very good



Thank you! I ended up reading the leaked article when I found some spare time. I am not surprised iOS apps don't have an acceptable input interface for the more complex ones.

If Apple is going to let iOS touch apps run in the MacOS they are really going to need to put touch screens in Macs. Honestly it seems very not "Mac-like" of Apple to allow iOS apps to run when they know that will be a wasteful experience.
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gd posted:
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those Macs can run those apps, some of them, and it seems the "experience" with them isn't very good



Thank you! I ended up reading the leaked article when I found some spare time. I am not surprised iOS apps don't have an acceptable input interface for the more complex ones.

If Apple is going to let iOS touch apps run in the MacOS they are really going to need to put touch screens in Macs. Honestly it seems very not "Mac-like" of Apple to allow iOS apps to run when they know that will be a wasteful experience.


Yeah. I think that is one feature they should have kept in beta testing for another year or two.
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gd posted:
Pariah posted:
gd posted:
ukimalefu posted:


those Macs can run those apps, some of them, and it seems the "experience" with them isn't very good



Thank you! I ended up reading the leaked article when I found some spare time. I am not surprised iOS apps don't have an acceptable input interface for the more complex ones.

If Apple is going to let iOS touch apps run in the MacOS they are really going to need to put touch screens in Macs. Honestly it seems very not "Mac-like" of Apple to allow iOS apps to run when they know that will be a wasteful experience.


Yeah. I think that is one feature they should have kept in beta testing for another year or two.

If they are going to allow iOS apps to run on a Mac they have to start making touch screens standard and introduce a Dashboard like environment to invoke touch apps to keep them conceptually separate from native applications.
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Pariah posted:
gd posted:
ukimalefu posted:


those Macs can run those apps, some of them, and it seems the "experience" with them isn't very good



Thank you! I ended up reading the leaked article when I found some spare time. I am not surprised iOS apps don't have an acceptable input interface for the more complex ones.

If Apple is going to let iOS touch apps run in the MacOS they are really going to need to put touch screens in Macs. Honestly it seems very not "Mac-like" of Apple to allow iOS apps to run when they know that will be a wasteful experience.


They put mouse input on iPad OS first, those should work better I guess, but I don't know if iPhone apps support that.

It's the first version of M1 macs, and the first version of Mac OS for them, so not everything will be perfect, but they better fix those things soon.

I agree about touchscreen Macs. I think convertible laptops are a great idea. But I doubt apple will release those before 2022, IF they're working on them.
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gd posted:


Yeah. I think that is one feature they should have kept in beta testing for another year or two.


Same thing happened with Mac OS X. Some people say that Mac OS 10.2 was the first good version of it.

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gd posted:


Yeah. I think that is one feature they should have kept in beta testing for another year or two.


Same thing happened with Mac OS. Some people say that Mac OS 10.2 was the first good version of it.

10.28 to be precise.
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Not only does Apple’s new chip beat the highest-end 16-inch MacBook Pro with the 9th gen. Intel Core i9 processor, it also beats Intel’s newest “Tiger Lake” processors.


https://appleterm.com/2020/11/28/m1-intel-tiger-lake/
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Not only does Apple’s new chip beat the highest-end 16-inch MacBook Pro with the 9th gen. Intel Core i9 processor, it also beats Intel’s newest “Tiger Lake” processors.


https://appleterm.com/2020/11/28/m1-intel-tiger-lake/


Seem like good news for Apple, but did the editor go on vacation or something? That article had some glaring mistakes such as “Tiger Like” instead of “Tiger Lake” on multiple occasions.
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Not only does Apple’s new chip beat the highest-end 16-inch MacBook Pro with the 9th gen. Intel Core i9 processor, it also beats Intel’s newest “Tiger Lake” processors.


https://appleterm.com/2020/11/28/m1-intel-tiger-lake/


Seem like good news for Apple, but did the editor go on vacation or something? That article had some glaring mistakes such as “Tiger Like” instead of “Tiger Lake” on multiple occasions.


Unfortunately, I doubt apple terminal has any editors or even paid writers.
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gd posted:
ukimalefu posted:
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Not only does Apple’s new chip beat the highest-end 16-inch MacBook Pro with the 9th gen. Intel Core i9 processor, it also beats Intel’s newest “Tiger Lake” processors.


https://appleterm.com/2020/11/28/m1-intel-tiger-lake/


Seem like good news for Apple, but did the editor go on vacation or something? That article had some glaring mistakes such as “Tiger Like” instead of “Tiger Lake” on multiple occasions.

This has been something that started showing up in news stories 20 years ago, first online but now even in print. Damned few news outfits employ spell checkers/grammar checkers anymore.
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I remember working for Life Touch doing page assembly for their year book line. The proofing process was extensive. The text entry monkeys double checked each other, then I checked the output of the Text entry moneys, then my output was blue penciled, on printed output, sent back to me and I would painstakingly go back through a book, page by page, then my output would be printed again, blue penciled again, corrected by me again and then and only then, would the file be cleared to go to press.

Grey Beard Rant: Typography used to matter. Publishers used to take pride in the way their print output looked beautiful on the page. Custom fonts were commissioned, elaborate style books were formulated.
Edit: To carry it further these yearbooks were dropped into standard templats and my job was to fit the text in an attractive way. Leading and Kerning were real issues and I remember in the begininng getting back proof with a big red crilce around section that just said "looks ugly, fix it".

Typos used to be something publishers were embarrassed about.

Now it is all just data and might as well be in some crude mono-space.
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