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https://www.theregister.com/2020/11/12/ ... _printing/

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HP Inc is under fire for not only ending its promise of free ink for life but also automatically enrolling customers into a subscription plan to continue using their printer ink.

"During the pandemic, home printers have become far more important to our lives," said Cory Doctorow of the digital-rights warriors at the EFF. "It's hard to imagine a worse time for HP to shove its hands deeper into its customers' pockets."

What's happened is this: HP runs a thing called Instant Ink, in which you pay a monthly fee, and periodically get sent ink cartridges to fit into your printer. The amount you pay dictates how many pages you are allowed to print. For instance, $25 a month lets you print up to 700 pages in that period, of which you can rollover up to 2,100 unused pages to subsequent months. After running out of your allowance, you must pay $1 per 15 pages. Don't pay, can't print.


First off, if you are still buying HP printers, stop. If you can't stop, get your IQ checked by a professional, as you may be a complete idiot.

Then, stop buying HP printers.
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Yeah, I got a Brother laser printer more than 5 years ago, for about $100, and I still haven't had to change the toner once.
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ah, home printers

it's still such a sleazy-ass corner of the tech world, i guess it always will be
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I went with an "office grade" Brother work group printer, and other than a mild bit of advertising BS in the space normally reserved for maintenance notifications, it has been pretty solid. We home schooled before COVID, so this thing has gotten a workout as both a copier, scanner, and printer.

I'd buy another on in a heartbeat, as this beast has been going for several years with almost daily use.
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I do own an HP laserjet. Forgive me; I purchased it six years ago.

But I am only on my first purchased cartridge(generic), after the partial cartridge it came with ran out last year, and that particular printer is relegated to envelope duty for the foreseeable future.
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I bought a Brother laser about 4 years ago, I am still on the initial cartridge.
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arkayn posted:
I bought a Brother laser about 4 years ago, I am still on the initial cartridge.


I'm currently on my 2nd toner cart for the Brother laser printer i bought a few years ago. I like that it lets you override the page count based "i'm out of toner" and keep using the cart until it is actually out of toner.
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Color LaserJet MFP over here. Only changed out the toner once in years with aftermarket replacements costing less than a few month's supply of ink. Its crazy fast, its bulletproof reliable, its double sided, and doesn't mind sitting idle for a few weeks or even months between uses. And I just love how you never quite seem to run out of toner. Even when it gets low, you can just give the cartridges a jiggle and print another 100 pages, easy.

Text and graphics look amazing --better than an ink jet, for sure. Lines are crisper on the laser, and it provides greater contrast on plain paper.

The downsides to laser? Photo quality is merely "ok", but you could always pair it with a good dye sub and enjoy the best of both worlds. The initial price tag is certainly higher than Ink Jets as well. Also, the particular unit I purchased definitely looks like a big 'ol office printer. Because that is exactly what it is. It does NOT blend nicely into any aesthetic.

In the long-run though, I think lasers are a far better investment. Especially when you consider their durability, the fact that most models are user-serviceable, and the low cost of toner relative to ink. Add to that, the fact that it delivers flawless results 100% of the time, and there's just no going back to ink for me. No way!
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The big reason to switch to laser for me was the fact that I don't do a lot of printing. I do enough that I want my own printer, but I don't print frequently enough to prevent an inkjet from gumming up it's print heads. After my last Epson inkjet died from gummed up print heads, I made the switch to something that could sit for a few months at a time unused and not suffer for it.
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sean posted:
The big reason to switch to laser for me was the fact that I don't do a lot of printing. I do enough that I want my own printer, but I don't print frequently enough to prevent an inkjet from gumming up it's print heads. After my last Epson inkjet died from gummed up print heads, I made the switch to something that could sit for a few months at a time unused and not suffer for it.


Epson inkjets are crap - even the "workgroup" grade ones. We had a Workforce inkjet that only made it a couple of years before the thing clogged. Even doing a full recondition on the heads failed, and I traded it in for the Brother printer we have now.
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I have an HP Officejet and am seriously considering going to a laser simply because the ink keeps drying up from lack of use. Ink's too expensive to keep replacing.
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justine posted:
I have an HP Officejet and am seriously considering going to a laser simply because the ink keeps drying up from lack of use. Ink's too expensive to keep replacing.

Do it! Ink jets really only make sense if you don’t print enough to recoup the initial cost of a laser on cheaper consumables, but you do print frequently enough that you manage to keep the heads clean. That’s a pretty narrow band. If every professional review of an ink jet printer led with this disclaimer, the world would be a better place.

I mean that quite literally. I used to swear at my ink jet printer. But the laser just works, and now I love my printer! Multiply that sentiment by a few billion, and the world would be tangibly improved.
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I had grown up with the idea that laser printers were just huge and expensive, but they're not anymore. They're just as cheap and compact as inkjets nowadays, there's just no reason to stick with inkjets, the cartridge replacement cost is a total scam.
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Metacell posted:
I had grown up with the idea that laser printers were just huge and expensive, but they're not anymore. They're just as cheap and compact as inkjets nowadays, there's just no reason to stick with inkjets, the cartridge replacement cost is a total scam.


The printer manufacturers are on to that scheme. Toner cartridges for home-size lasers are smaller capacity and higher cost per page (especially the color ones) than the larger office oriented machines.

And I know the remanufactured toner market is the way around that, especially for Brother printers, which don't have "smart" cartridges. But I have had some human waste luck with those over the years.
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Mr. T posted:
justine posted:
I have an HP Officejet and am seriously considering going to a laser simply because the ink keeps drying up from lack of use. Ink's too expensive to keep replacing.

Do it! Ink jets really only make sense if you don’t print enough to recoup the initial cost of a laser on cheaper consumables, but you do print frequently enough that you manage to keep the heads clean. That’s a pretty narrow band. If every professional review of an ink jet printer led with this disclaimer, the world would be a better place.

I mean that quite literally. I used to swear at my ink jet printer. But the laser just works, and now I love my printer! Multiply that sentiment by a few billion, and the world would be tangibly improved.

I've just always used inkjets, i guess because that's just what i've always used. It wasn't until recently that i realized that the ink, and in the most recent case used one time, dried up pretty quickly. So, once this ink is gone, i'll likely be pricing new printers and if the price is right before then, i may just get rid of this one.


Any recs for an inexpensive laserjet?
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I'm seeing a wide range of laserjet prices, but i think i'm going to stuck with black and white since i rarely print anything in color.
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justine posted:
I'm seeing a wide range of laserjet prices, but i think i'm going to stuck with black and white since i rarely print anything in color.


https://www.brother-usa.com/products/hll2370dw
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dv posted:
justine posted:
I'm seeing a wide range of laserjet prices, but i think i'm going to stuck with black and white since i rarely print anything in color.


https://www.brother-usa.com/products/hll2370dw

That's a really good price! The one i was looking at at Sams today was $199. OIt was Brother also.
I really like the Brother Color Laser I bought. So far only had to change the black toner.
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justine posted:
Any recs for an inexpensive laserjet?

I’ll be honest, my printer was not cheap. I’m not in front of it right now, but I think it’s an HP 476dw. It’s a big ugly office printer —No two ways about it.

But most laser printers provide the advantages I’ve described. A few pieces of advice. Unlike an inkjet, a laser printer is a long-term investment (or at least it can be). Do your homework on aftermarket toner replacement costs, since that’s what you’ll undoubtedly end up buying. Opt for a design that embeds the rollers in the cartridges or at least makes them easily replaceable. Also, consider durability and reliability surveys, and opt for a model that is user serviceable. Lastly, make sure whatever you pick is standards-compliant, has good wireless connectivity, and works with OOB OS drivers and utilities. That’ll give you some level of future proofing on the software side.

You can probably save a few bucks if you don’t care about two-sided printing or mfp capabilities, and you can save a lot if you forego color printing. I ended up stretching my budget for the niceties I didn’t really need. The way I see it, this will hopefully be the last printer I’ll ever own, so I might as deck it out.
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What do you all print anyway?
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Malkin posted:
What do you all print anyway?
Mostly flyers advocating forest conservation.
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I tend to print adhesive half-page mailing labels(easier than filling out mailing labels by hand and you can pay online), legal documents(things requiring written signatures when they will not accept digital copies), envelopes, and sometimes résumés.
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Usually it's tickets to events.
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HP has excellent Linux support so until the other oems step up HP will always be at the top pf my list.
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Mr. T posted:
Malkin posted:
What do you all print anyway?
Mostly flyers advocating forest conservation.

:lol:
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Wouldn’t it just be cheaper to go to like a local UPS store or whatever and print a couple of times a year than buying and maintaining your own printer?
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Malkin posted:
Wouldn’t it just be cheaper to go to like a local UPS store or whatever and print a couple of times a year than buying and maintaining your own printer?


Not when you run a home school. We use our printer daily.
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Malkin posted:
What do you all print anyway?

I bought this printer specifically to do two things:
1) print my D&D character sheets for game night
2) Handle the mountain of paperwork that was required for my Irish citizenship.

It paid for itself with item #2 there, as the cost of the printer was far less than what I would have paid for printing and scanning at my local copy center, and it still occasionally comes in handy for other things, as well.
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Malkin posted:
What do you all print anyway?


Mailing labels for hobby business. Return slips. Sheet music when we're not in a pandemic. Housemate insists on reading things on paper, so she prints probably 90%+ of the total volume.

Open a new ream of paper about every two months. So, like, 3k pages a year.

Malkin posted:
Wouldn’t it just be cheaper to go to like a local UPS store or whatever and print a couple of times a year than buying and maintaining your own printer?


Convenience and time is a factor that's hard to put a price point on.

But strictly based on pricing, I'm at about $0.03/page for black and $0.12/page for color if I print at home. Google says the UPS store is $0.16/$0.60 a page. Only print a couple times a year? I think you're absolutely right. But, I mean, you can do the math as well as me but I don't think you'd have to print anywhere near as much as we do to hit that break-even point pretty quick, especially if you're tossing color printing into the mix.
I print my invoices on a dot matrix printer. The ribbons last forever. My printers date from the early 90s. Once the ribbons run out I'll have to get something else. I have been converting many clients to electronic invoices that don't need to be printed but some still require a printed copy.
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Ribtor posted:
I print my invoices on a dot matrix printer. The ribbons last forever. My printers date from the early 90s. Once the ribbons run out I'll have to get something else. I have been converting many clients to electronic invoices that don't need to be printed but some still require a printed copy.

Why would ribbons run out? Dot matrix printers are still being manufactured for the business niches that still need them.
If I need to print, I go to 7-11. In Taiwan, printing at a convenience store costs about 6¢/page.

I think I've printed things about 6 times in the 6 years I've been here.
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The thing I print out the most (laser printer) is colouring/painting sheets for the kiddo.

She loves being able to take photos around the house, run it through a filter, and then print it out to colour.

That, and hard copy of any legal/tax stuff.

And my hockey team beer fund.
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That reminds me of some coffee machines that used proprietary coffee pods, they had some chip in them? those got hacked.

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Just this month HP began to roll out HP+, described as an "end-to-end platform strategy" that ties customers into only using HP ink, which "provides a differentiated value proposition for our loyal customers," said Lores.


fiddlesticks you fiddlesticks you fiddlesticks you and fiddlesticks your meaningless corporate empty talk. :toll:

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The requirements of HP+? An HP account, internet connection, and "use of Original HP Ink or Toner for the lifetime of the printer." It comes with no subscription but HP is dangling a six-month trial of Instant Ink, the service that caused some annoyance recently when HP ended the print-for-free lifetime deal and swapped it with a monthly payment plan.


I've seen all 3 Godfather movies, more than once. I?ve seen many other mafia movies and tv shows. I know an extortion racket when I see one.

I'm sure if you try to install some hacked 3rd party ink, some hidden HP firmware makes the printer print a horse's head and spills out all the red ink.
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Ribtor posted:
I print my invoices on a dot matrix printer. The ribbons last forever. My printers date from the early 90s. Once the ribbons run out I'll have to get something else. I have been converting many clients to electronic invoices that don't need to be printed but some still require a printed copy.


From what I understand, you can reink the ribbons with stamp pad ink until the weave is too flat to hold ink.
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Ribtor posted:
I print my invoices on a dot matrix printer. The ribbons last forever. My printers date from the early 90s. Once the ribbons run out I'll have to get something else. I have been converting many clients to electronic invoices that don't need to be printed but some still require a printed copy.


From what I understand, you can reink the ribbons with stamp pad ink until the weave is too flat to hold ink.


I found a case of 24 sealed ribbons in the stationery cupboard! It appears I have a few lifetime's worth of ribbon.
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