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Robert B. Dandy Highwayman
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Clearing out some SSD space in anticipation. What time do you think it's gonna drop tomorrow?
macnuke Afar
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I gotta wait for a patch anyway
Donkey Butter jerk face
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I'd guess 11am (pacific time)
that seems to be their time for everything
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/me hits dosdude’s site
gd Hero of Twilight
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I gotta wait for the school’s exam software to make a support update for Big Sur.
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I'm just hoping Big Sur corrects the repeat keystroke thing that has been happening on my iMac.
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Donkey Butter posted:
I'm just hoping Big Sur corrects the repeat keystroke thing that has been happening on my iMac.
Could you elaborate on this?
I don't have time...I always do a fresh with major point updates.
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Robert B. Dandy Highwayman
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By the way, Big Sur is available now.

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Geeze, 12.18 gig download. This is gonna take awhile.
Robert B. Dandy Highwayman
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Well, I keep getting errors on downloading. This may have to happen later.
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obvs posted:
Donkey Butter posted:
I'm just hoping Big Sur corrects the repeat keystroke thing that has been happening on my iMac.
Could you elaborate on this?


when typing (regardless of the program I'm in) I will sometimes get added key strokes. Like that double space between "I" and "will".

So o for instance that o just sitting there is part of what happens. I've 've spoken to apple and they have no idea how to fix it other than reinstall the os. I just figured I'd wait for big sur and see if that fixed it.

This repeat letters happens with different keyboards and on different keys so it's not a stuck key. It t will also repeat more than just one letter as seen in the 've above.

no idea why it happened but I'm hoping Big Sur fixes it
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The reason I'm asking is because I've experienced a similar issue, particularly with my bluetooth keyboards. I thought one of them was just faulty, but the other one had the same issue. This wasn't always happening with these two keyboards.
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I can't recall which update it happened after but no subsequent updates fixed it.

Both keyboards that I used were BT so maybe that had something to do with it.

I've just installed Big Sur so I'm hoping that has corrected the issue
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Donkey Butter posted:
I'm just hoping Big Sur corrects the repeat keystroke thing that has been happening on my iMac.

obvs posted:
Donkey Butter posted:
I'm just hoping Big Sur corrects the repeat keystroke thing that has been happening on my iMac.
Could you elaborate on this?
Donkey Butter posted:
obvs posted:
Donkey Butter posted:
I'm just hoping Big Sur corrects the repeat keystroke thing that has been happening on my iMac.
Could you elaborate on this?


when typing (regardless of the program I'm in) I will sometimes get added key strokes. Like that double space between "I" and "will".

So o for instance that o just sitting there is part of what happens. I've 've spoken to apple and they have no idea how to fix it other than reinstall the os. I just figured I'd wait for big sur and see if that fixed it.

This repeat letters happens with different keyboards and on different keys so it's not a stuck key. It t will also repeat more than just one letter as seen in the 've above.

no idea why it happened but I'm hoping Big Sur fixes it
obvs posted:
The reason I'm asking is because I've experienced a similar issue, particularly with my bluetooth keyboards. I thought one of them was just faulty, but the other one had the same issue. This wasn't always happening with these two keyboards.
Donkey Butter posted:
I can't recall which update it happened after but no subsequent updates fixed it.

Both keyboards that I used were BT so maybe that had something to do with it.

I've just installed Big Sur so I'm hoping that has corrected the issue


The keyboard thing also happens to me with my Macbook Pro’s built in keyboard. I thought it was just me.
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I've had sticky keys. But it was a dirty old keyboard.

I can't say that newer, flat, aluminum keyboards have similar problems, or if they can be opened and cleaned.

I once, only once, opened my keyboard and took out every key to clean everything. It was nasty under the keys.
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Well, it took another several attempts, at least three of which ended in a download error, but it's installed now.

The installation really need a lot of free SSD space, btw, like 40 gigs.
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ukimalefu posted:
I've had sticky keys. But it was a dirty old keyboard.

I can't say that newer, flat, aluminum keyboards have similar problems, or if they can be opened and cleaned.

I once, only once, opened my keyboard and took out every key to clean everything. It was nasty under the keys.
Both of my keyboards are relatively new, purchased within the last year or two.
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I attempted to update both Macs last night. It worked on the MBP but killed my iMac. I think i need to call Apple Care because it won't completely shut down and i can't seem to stop the update.
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So, i attempted both my Macs. I did the MBP first to see how it would go since it's not my primary Mac. Installed without a hitch. My iMac was another story. I had to reinstall the OS (Catalina) just to get the Mac to work. All in all, it was mostly a PITA and time consuming, but i came out of it unscathed. Then the installer came up and asked if i wanted to install Big Sur. That was a big hell no as i quit the installer.
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This is the first MacOS update in many years that is an actual visual improvement over the previous version. The system color pallet is still naive and unsophisticated in its garishness but now dark mode looks mostly nice. Light mode still looks like ass.
I think it is adorable the way Apple has duplicated a lot of things, like getting rid of the window title bar, that Gnome shell did years ago. Apple ran out of original GUI ideas a decade ago or more.
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:lol:

In Big Sur, Apple has removed a lot of aspects that were vital to people who have color vision problems.
  • Having distinct toolbars is vital for distinguishing between elements.
  • Using shapes in addition to colors is vital for distinguishing between elements.
  • Having clear separation between different areas of things is vital for distinguishing between elements.
  • Forcing transparency on the menu bar makes it harder to distinguish things for people with color vision issues.
  • Making it so all of the icons are the exact same shape removes shapes as something that can be used to distinguish elements.
  • Removing the pill-shaped borders and the colors around buttons removes a huge amount of contrast and makes the buttons SOOOOO much harder to interpret.
  • Going back to monochrome icons in the sidebar makes it SOOOO hard to distinguish what the icons are.
  • The move to soft shadows makes it harder to distinguish between the edges of different elements, and the move to more pastels does the same.

All of this contributes to not being able to identify what icons represent, where items exist on the screen, what the text on them actually says, where it's possible to click, and what can be done in different areas if you do click.

Big Sur is by no means an improvement on visual usability. It's throwing people with disabilities under the bus, and Apple should be ashamed of themselves for it. Apple has thrown out their design elements and made it so only people with good color vision get any cues that aren't words. They've prioritized aesthetic appearance over people who have difficulties already.
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Did you make any adjustments in the Accessibility system preferences?
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:lol:

The Accessibility pane in System Preferences for previous versions of the OS has never contained anything relevant to color deficiency. There was an "increase contrast" option, which did basically nothing.

On your suggestion, I looked, and there is an "Increase contrast" and "Differentiate without color"(something new), and surprise surprise. They actually address all of the issues above, except the monochrome icons in the sidebar.

It's like they actually hired someone with color-deficient vision and asked for their input for once.

Fair enough.
Downloading now and will try it out on my work Laptop, since lately about the only thing I have been doing on it is zoom calls and discord for virtual show comm. Obviously will install all the goodies but it will more or less a test bed to see if I will upgrade the Mac Pro, which I NEED to work right now... :lol:
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obvs posted:
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The Accessibility pane in System Preferences for previous versions of the OS has never contained anything relevant to color deficiency. There was an "increase contrast" option, which did basically nothing.

On your suggestion, I looked, and there is an "Increase contrast" and "Differentiate without color"(something new), and surprise surprise. They actually address all of the issues above, except the monochrome icons in the sidebar.

It's like they actually hired someone with color-deficient vision and asked for their input for once.

Fair enough.

I only give half credit, at best, when a designer makes bad default choices but provides a fix buried in prefs. Anyone who knows anything about how people use computers knows that the overwhelming majority of users stick with the defaults.
Defaults matter and wasteful defaults = a human waste design, even if there is a workaround built in.
All that stuff has been in the same place since at least Mojave.
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:roll:

I turned it on in Mojave and it was ineffective.
Laptop Installed, installing all my app human waste right now. So far so good. All the iCloud poop transferred over with no headaches.
Thought I would hate the look, but actually like it better than Catalina so far, :shrug:.
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macOS Big Sur Update Bricking Some Older MacBook Pro Models

https://www.macrumors.com/2020/11/15/ma ... book-pros/
Donkey Butter jerk face
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well my hopes that big sur would stop the double typing thing were dashed. the issue still exists.

I did read that disconnecting your bt keyboard turning it off and then on again and then reconnecting might work though. Tried it and so far so good. well see it if lasts.
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nope that didn't work either.
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Have you tried jiggling the cord? ;)
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I learned something about USB 3 hubs. Apparently they can cause interference with 2.4GHz devices, including bluetooth. If you have a USB 3 hub near your keyboard, that might be causing interference.
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juice posted:
Have you tried jiggling the cord? ;)



it's Bluetooth so I don't even have that option. :lol:


obvs posted:
I learned something about USB 3 hubs. Apparently they can cause interference with 2.4GHz devices, including bluetooth. If you have a USB 3 hub near your keyboard, that might be causing interference.


no hubs of any kind. I do have a Pegasus3 16TB RAID near my iMac though.
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article calls it "a rough launch", that seems like an understatement than that to me

https://gizmodo.com/its-been-a-rough-la ... 1845686868

The worst part? it was their mistake

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As for why the server failed and caused slow app launches, Apple told iPhone in Canada it was due to a “server-side misconfiguration that specifically interfered with macOS being able to cache OCSP responses for developer ID.”


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ALWAYS, wait a week, or more, before updating anything. I know most of the time, there aren't any problems, that's my experience, but problems DO happen, they've happened to me, as unusual as they may be.

Play it safe, wait.
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I am honestly perplexed about Apple's long tradition of managing to fiddlesticks up releases so frequently. Relative to Windows or Linux, Apple has to deal with a extremely small number of very similar devices and they still cannot reliably get it right.
It is baffling, it is not like Apple lacks the brain power. curious. :squint:
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As of last year, Apple said that there are 1.4 billion active iPads and active iPhones.

Estimates of active Windows 10 machines are ~1 billion, according to Microsoft itself. And that's including XBox devices. Estimates also say that there are ~200 million Windows 7 systems remaining, but those numbers would not be included in "actively being patched".
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