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Apple’s upcoming “One More Thing” event, announced this morning and scheduled for November 10th, will be a major break with tradition in more ways than one: it will be the first time the company unveils an Apple laptop featuring its own custom Arm-based CPUs. Apple plans to debut three new laptops next week, one 13-inch MacBook Air and two different-sized MacBook Pro models (13-inches and 16-inches) that ditch Intel processors, according to a new report from Bloomberg’s Mark Gurman

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According to Gurman, a redesigned iMac, a new Mac mini, and a half-sized Mac Pro, all powered by Apple chip architecture, are also in the works.

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Well, I hope they release Big Sur at this time, too.
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Not that it won't be interesting to watch from a distance but going to custom hardware is the one thing Apple could do that will absolutely guarantee I will never, ever go back to using Macs again.
A Mac that can run basically anything else too is a lot more attractive than a Mac that is limited to just one OS.
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A Mac that can run basically anything else too is a lot more attractive than a Mac that is limited to just one OS.


Yes, but it used to be like that.

But unless they do something to prevent it, and they likely will, Windows and Linux already run on some kind of ARM processors.

I believe the first attempts to install Windows on Intel Macs had no help from Apple, they developed Bootcamp later. And Linux on Macs never got any help.

Also, you haven't used Macs in a while, and you weren't planning to either, where you? :p
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ARM systems aren't like IA32/64 systems. There is no such thing as a "standard" ARM processor - they are all bespoke designs. This means that you have to port your code to every system and deal with its unique differences.

You can shortcut that somewhat by using a pre-defined SoC system, such as the ones provided by Qualcomm, Samsung, etc., but even then, you have to target each one. This is why Android is such a freaking mess - you need a new board support package for every flipping variant.

Apple makes it even more interesting, because not only are they making their own ARM SOCs, they are only using them internally - and they aren't publishing a BSP. This means that it will be interesting to see if Linux will even boot on them, nevermind Windows. I suspect that most people will run Linux in a VM rather than fight their machines tooth and nail to run it on bare metal.
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Not that it won't be interesting to watch from a distance but going to custom hardware is the one thing Apple could do that will absolutely guarantee I will never, ever go back to using Macs again.
:lol:

Spoken like someone who still believes x64 will be around for a long time.
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Pariah posted:
Not that it won't be interesting to watch from a distance but going to custom hardware is the one thing Apple could do that will absolutely guarantee I will never, ever go back to using Macs again.
:lol:

Spoken like someone who still believes x64 will be around for a long time.


It will be, just not necessarily in consumer hardware. ARM is incredibly powerful in terms of performance per watt, but when you absolutely have to crush a problem with raw computing power, it is going fall flat on its face compared to x64 - and it will for a while.

I expect most consumer grade machines to eventually go ARM if Apple is successful, but I expect you will still be able to build/buy x64 machines well into the next few decades.
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Not that it won't be interesting to watch from a distance but going to custom hardware is the one thing Apple could do that will absolutely guarantee I will never, ever go back to using Macs again.
:lol:

Spoken like someone who still believes x64 will be around for a long time.

Bah, don't paint me as a Luddite just because I don't get a boner over every new bit of Apple kit.
I don't really give a rats ass about the composition of the hardware I run as long as it does what I want. Apple has not made hardware that does what I want in a long, long time. ARM certainly won't improve that situation.
If ARM goes mainstream on the desktop I am quite confident there will be a great Linux distro to run on it.

Debian runs on everything. :shrug:
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Me? Apple boner?

I'm over here with my Google Pixel and my MacBook Pro from 2014.
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I wish I had those same strong Apple boners I used to get. :(
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Pariah posted:
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Pariah posted:
Not that it won't be interesting to watch from a distance but going to custom hardware is the one thing Apple could do that will absolutely guarantee I will never, ever go back to using Macs again.
:lol:

Spoken like someone who still believes x64 will be around for a long time.

Bah, don't paint me as a Luddite just because I don't get a boner over every new bit of Apple kit.
I don't really give a rats ass about the composition of the hardware I run as long as it does what I want. Apple has not made hardware that does what I want in a long, long time. ARM certainly won't improve that situation.
If ARM goes mainstream on the desktop I am quite confident there will be a great Linux distro to run on it.

Debian runs on everything. :shrug:

The compilers are all still probably bases on cc.
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Linus Torvalds longs for Apple’s ARM-based Mac
Linux founder looks forward to a powerful ARM desktop system that will ease ARM software development


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Apple’s plan to build Macs featuring its own chips with an ARM-based instruction set is getting a thumbs-up from Linux and Git creator Linus Torvalds.

Speaking during last week’s online Linux Foundation Open Source Summit and Embedded Linux Conference, Torvalds said he believes Apple’s moving to ARM will help the ARM ecosystem from a software development standpoint. He said he has been disappointed with previous ARM laptops, which have not been competition for Intel x86 systems. Torvalds said he is hopeful that, in a few years, there will be an ARM desktop system powerful enough to be used for development.


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I honestly could not care less about the who makes the insides of my PC. I am at a loss as to why anyone would care. I care about what hardware does, not what it is.
For ARM to truely go mainstream a reference design will have to be arrived at for non-Apple hardware. Obviously Microsoft won't be much interested in recompiling Windows for 500 different variations of ARM SOC.
I mean, not even Google really supports ARM outside of a tiny fraction of Android phones, the OEM does so, once, at launch, and then never another update to be seen, hardly the model we want on the desktop.
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Apple boards up and fences stores...

https://twitter.com/benhammersley/statu ... 31649?s=21

because... new Macs are secret... they're probably redecorating for the launch... not because riots... right?

right!?
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Alexander Supertramp posted:
I wish I had those same strong Apple boners I used to get. :(


oh how i pine for the days of those jolly apple stiffies
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Pariah posted:
I honestly could not care less about the who makes the insides of my PC. I am at a loss as to why anyone would care. I care about what hardware does, not what it is.
For ARM to truely go mainstream a reference design will have to be arrived at for non-Apple hardware. Obviously Microsoft won't be much interested in recompiling Windows for 500 different variations of ARM SOC.
I mean, not even Google really supports ARM outside of a tiny fraction of Android phones, the OEM does so, once, at launch, and then never another update to be seen, hardly the model we want on the desktop.

It really doesn't matter to anyone except software distributors (because they have to provide an executable, nowadays), and to assembly programmers and compiler programmers. If the chip has an official instruction set, the compiler will be up and running in no days straight, and all standard code will run on it, immediately after.

It matters to compiler coders because even though getting a working compiler should be no obstacle, optimizing for the chip set is an art, and there are constant improvements to encoding an algorithm that can be made with a chipset.

It matters to assembly coders because some chipsets are fun and simple to program (6502), some are like deluxe high level languages (68000), and some were obviously designed by tin-eared accountants with no love for life (8086). YMMV.
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I honestly could not care less about the who makes the insides of my PC. I am at a loss as to why anyone would care. I care about what hardware does, not what it is.
For ARM to truely go mainstream a reference design will have to be arrived at for non-Apple hardware. Obviously Microsoft won't be much interested in recompiling Windows for 500 different variations of ARM SOC.
I mean, not even Google really supports ARM outside of a tiny fraction of Android phones, the OEM does so, once, at launch, and then never another update to be seen, hardly the model we want on the desktop.
A tiny fraction, meaning over 95%.
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obvs posted:
Pariah posted:
I honestly could not care less about the who makes the insides of my PC. I am at a loss as to why anyone would care. I care about what hardware does, not what it is.
For ARM to truely go mainstream a reference design will have to be arrived at for non-Apple hardware. Obviously Microsoft won't be much interested in recompiling Windows for 500 different variations of ARM SOC.
I mean, not even Google really supports ARM outside of a tiny fraction of Android phones, the OEM does so, once, at launch, and then never another update to be seen, hardly the model we want on the desktop.
A tiny fraction, meaning over 95%.

Google only support a small fraction of the billions of ARM based android phones out there. Why does that confuse you? That is why the Android ecosystem is such a human waste show, only top of the line phones sold by Google have much in the way of support. The majority of Android phone ship with out of date software and never get any further support.
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Maybe because your wording was human waste.

Google supports running Android on ARM devices no problem.

If what you meant was "Google itself isn't the entity responsible for maintenance of Android versions installed on most ARM-based Android phones," that would be correct.
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Live bloggers are already complaining that it all will be fake because it's not a live event...

Yes, any bugs will be edited out of the video, but why can't people wait until they have an actual shipping unit in their hands before hating?
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In addition to Macs running Apple silicon, we may also see some other Apple products, some of which have been LONG rumored. AirTags are really due, we know Apple is working on some new over-ear headphones that may get AirPod branding, and lord knows the Apple TV could stand to get an update


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They start with The Mac...
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The Mac is great, they're selling more Macs than ever....

Tim! get to the thing!
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the first apple silicon for the Mac is the

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System on Chip SOC, or the Mac
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M1 features unified memory architecture, integrated GPU, neural engine.
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5 nanometer tech
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8 core, 4 high performance single thread cores. "The world's fastest CPU core."
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Claims best performance per watt in the industry. Apple really going for best of both worlds in terms of performance and battery life.
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Now talking graphics with a bit of an implied dunk on integrated graphics on Intel laptops, but that the 8-core M1 GPU is able to be better.
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