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Some downtime prompted me to retrieve and old Toshiba T1000LE from mothballs and get it fixed up.

Turned out the thing worked as soon as I turned it on. It didn't need any fixing. Even one of the batteries takes a charge. The clock in DOS 3.3 only seems to go to 1999 though.
So I decided to check out the old printer with an old ribbon. Turned out it worked perfectly. It's a 24 pin dot matrix which is plenty for my wants. The ribbon is a bit dry but it's usable.
I was anticipating long sessions troubleshooting, replacing capacitors and frustration. Now I need to find a different project because this one offered no challenges at all.

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Old Yoda agitator
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Ribtor posted:
. . . The ribbon is a bit dry but it's usable. . .

Spray it with WD40. Some of us old Commodore 64 users trick! Run them till the cloth shredded.
maurvir Steamed meat popsicle
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Yeah, those old boat anchors were built like brick outhouses. They almost invariably died of old age before they died of anything else. Before I gave it away, I had an old Compaq 486LTE running FreeBSD (some ancient version). When I turned it on for pictures, it booted right up. Naturally, I couldn't remember the password...
Here is a challenge, get OS X Catalina to run on a B&W G3. ;-) You might need to re-compile a bunch of human waste. :lol: :evil:
My next task was to get a workstation up and running with XP.

The motherboard dates from 2006 and I intend to use it as my all in one maximum compatibility backup workstation. I have other specialised XP workstations but this one has to be able to do all my common workstation tasks. I'm using an SSD with it.

Dual socket Tyan Thunder motherboard with loads of empty ram slots.

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IBM keyboard. Much larger than the one I am used to but it's suitably vintage.

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This large Contex 18x24 inch scanner is the real reason why I have to keep at least one XP machine running.

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But the really surprising thing is that my Canon Pro inkjet wide format printers, all new in 2020, are supported in XP even though Canon claims they aren't. They just work with Canon's drivers and software, both directly with USB and over the network. Even the 60" Canon printer (not shown) works and is fully functional.

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Firefox only is supported up to Version 52.9 but so far all the websites I require work with it. My vendor's sites work; I can log into my company's web site, Instagram, and do all my email.

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Tyan claims this motherboard will not support a Pcie video card and can only use the built-in video but I am using a Radeon X300 video card in it and it is fully working. So Tyan lies.

My small wireless laser document printers on the network, which date from 2016 and later, work with XP as well. Samsung still has no problem supporting XP it seems.

I keep an XP workstation running for the sake of an old expensive peripheral, but the fact is even my new scanners and printers work with it.

And a USB 3 card works with it. So there's that.
Next task.

Get all of these working.

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TOS
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oh, is that my old elementary school?
Jeez Ribtor how much "old tech" do you own? Quite the collection.
I had intended to scavenge them for parts to get two working, but I'm going to get all of them working instead.
juice Inadvertently correct
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I can confirm his "old tech" is still useful. Ribby sent me a switch that is the backbone of my LAN. I had to replace one of the capacitors last year, but its been solid otherwise.
sean Royal Wombat
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I've got a ThinkPad T420 that I recently tossed a fresh Mint install on. Currently it's mostly being used for spotify, slack, and discord as part of my work from home setup (all of these are blocked on the company network, which I have to VPN into to work). It's a perfectly serviceable machine for light duty use.

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I've also got a few other machines in my salvage pile, including my old 17" G4 Powerbook! Sadly, it's no longer stable, and doesn't run a modern enough OS. :(

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Oh I had a T420. Those things were absolute tanks.
sean Royal Wombat
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Betonhaus posted:
Oh I had a T420. Those things were absolute tanks.


I have two ThinkPads, the T420 and an X220t. Both are absolutely fantastic machines, and both were my primary machine at one point or another.
sean posted:
Betonhaus posted:
Oh I had a T420. Those things were absolute tanks.


I have two ThinkPads, the T420 and an X220t. Both are absolutely fantastic machines, and both were my primary machine at one point or another.

The Thinkpads are almost always really good machines. I really really want an X1 Carbon. I placed a bid on a 2nd gen I can fix up but I'll probably be outbid.
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I have a T430 which is running Linux Mint 19.2 and confirm that these models are built like tanks.
The machine immediately beneath the counter top is a film recorder. It's like a reverse scanner. It takes a digital file and makes a copy onto film. There are a few reasons why people might want this. It's almost a quarter of a century old and it's one reason why I need to keep a Windows 98 workstation running. The original beige floppy disk failed and all I could get was a black one.

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I could keep a mac with OS 7.5 running instead of Windows 98 to operate the film recorder. I have not looked into it but I always had networking issues with Mac 7.x and 8.x on my peer-to-peer shop network with Windows workstations back when they were current. Also, I don't know what the fastest Mac hardware would be compatible with Mac OS 7.x. If this downtime goes on much longer, maybe I'll find out.
Pariah Know Your Enemy
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The machine immediately beneath the counter top is a film recorder. It's like a reverse scanner. It takes a digital file and makes a copy onto film. There are a few reasons why people might want this. It's almost a quarter of a century old and it's one reason why I need to keep a Windows 98 workstation running. The original beige floppy disk failed and all I could get was a black one.

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I could keep a mac with OS 7.5 running instead of Windows 98 to operate the film recorder. I have not looked into it but I always had networking issues with Mac 7.x and 8.x on my peer-to-peer shop network with Windows workstations back when they were current. Also, I don't know what the fastest Mac hardware would be compatible with Mac OS 7.x. If this downtime goes on much longer, maybe I'll find out.

Are you sure this software won't work with OS9? The "classic" MacOS has fantastic backwards compatibility. For example. I had Photoshop 1.0, which was released in the mid-80s, running just fine on OS9.
The network stack in OS9 is much, much better than the stack in system7 and OS8.
I'd have to source a mac of suitable vintage and make sure it has a scsi connector.

The hardware would have to work reliably. It's not a hobby machine where tinkering is part of the fun.

Hard drives fail over many years of use and I'm looking at hardware at least 15 years old, so the mac would have to be able to accept an SSD. Trustworthy PATA spinning disks are hard to find. I've been using SSDs in my old workstations for years now. They make all the difference.

I think OS 8.x is the last version compatible with the software I have for the film recorder.
But I will investigate.
Pariah Know Your Enemy
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Ribtor posted:
I'd have to source a mac of suitable vintage and make sure it has a scsi connector.

The hardware would have to work reliably. It's not a hobby machine where tinkering is part of the fun.

Hard drives fail over many years of use and I'm looking at hardware at least 15 years old, so the mac would have to be able to accept an SSD. Trustworthy PATA spinning disks are hard to find. I've been using SSDs in my old workstations for years now. They make all the difference.

I think OS 8.x is the last version compatible with the software I have for the film recorder.
But I will investigate.

As I recall the scsi in the old Macs was pretty solid, once you knew the voodoo.
I have no clue about the drive situation.
If you are going to dive into resurrecting an old Mac I should point out the InfoMac Archive is still online: https://mirror.macintosharchive.org/arc ... o-mac.org/
Is there some way of using a more modern system? Like something you can plug a scsi pci card into and run windows 95 under a hypervisor that gives it direct access to the scsi port?
Pariah Know Your Enemy
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Betonhaus posted:
Is there some way of using a more modern system? Like something you can plug a scsi pci card into and run windows 95 under a hypervisor that gives it direct access to the scsi port?

There were PC add on cards but I don't know much about them. If I am not mistaken it was still a dual boot situation. But don't bother trying to rig a Mac to run Windows. I bet it wouldn't be impossible to find an old server from that era still in working order that would serve you better.
Since I also require a Win98 system for my cash register this workstation also serves as a backup for that. Running virtual machines is a possibility but keeping a few Win98 workstations running natively is simple.

I would only attempt to get a mac workstation for the film recorder as an experiment and a bit of fun. I have no problem to solve here.
juice posted:
I can confirm his "old tech" is still useful. Ribby sent me a switch that is the backbone of my LAN. I had to replace one of the capacitors last year, but its been solid otherwise.


Oh I'm glad it is getting some use!
I might play around with my B&W G3 (G4 upgraded) box, Last time I did it fired right up. I do not want to sell it, but Ribtor if you find one I think I still have a SCSI card for it; might work with your scanner thing.
Thanks, I will look into it!
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I am thinking of putting a ssd in my old MacBook Pro 5.0. My main issue is that my brother broke the ribbon cable for the lcd screen and it works intermittently. I have to plug it into an external screen to use it. It runs high Sierra and it is my secondary computing device after my iPhone 11 Pro.
Pariah Know Your Enemy
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Can you bridge from ide to sata?
SATA to IDE and IDE to SATA converters are available.
I use older IDE SSD directly that were made for laptops.
There are also IDE to compact flash card readers that can hold the OS.
Getting realistic sound out of a modern computer is easy.

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Ribtor posted:
Getting realistic sound out of a modern computer is easy.

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Ha ha. I remember those things.
Dang it Ribtor, you are making me very sad about tossing my Amiga2000.
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Ha ha. I remember those things.


1/16 inch cast aluminum speaker cabinet. Ridiculously overbuilt. But I've had them since '82 and they have been in some harsh environments.
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I have a TiBook in my box of old tech. Haven't fired it up in forever. Not even sure I remember the password. I'd sell it, but I'd first have to pull the hard drive. Do anyone even still make IDE drives?

Yesterday I finally sold my mid-2010 MacBook Pro. Sad to see it go. It was a tank and it served me well, even at 10 years old, but it couldn't keep up with the demands of working at home. It came down to would an SSD upgrade boost performance well enough, and because of other factors it would not. Got a good price for it though.

I have a 2013 (or 2014?) MBP that was having problems which I tried to fix before I hosed it. It was having problems waking up from sleep. You could type on the keyboard and hear the response through the speakers, but the screen would not come on. It would require a PRAM reset to bring the screen back up. Apple determined it ws either a battery or logic board issue. I thought I could fix it myself and unfortunately I just made it worse. Considering selling it off (minus the SSD) or breaking it down to sell the parts. Not sure if I want to deal with that mess, though.
About 24 years ago I copied a lot of my vinyl to .aiff files and edited out noise etc. I used a Beige G3 266MHz workstation at the time. My intention was to re-make my mix tapes with cleaned-up tracks. I never did make the tapes. I am now..

Tape 1 is Blondie, Pat Benetar and Stevie Nicks.

I wish I had that G3 so the project would have been "canon"

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juice Inadvertently correct
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I have a 9600/300 with a G3 processor upgrade if you'd like to borrow it. ;)
juice posted:
I have a 9600/300 with a G3 processor upgrade if you'd like to borrow it. ;)


Gotta be honest, using a Threadripper with nvme and more ram than god has spoiled me a bit.

I was hoping to get this unit running again. It was a veteran of many overseas deployments.

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But the flywheel gear needed replacement and then the motor packed it in. Since '82 I have replaced the flywheel gear five times. Sony had a parts warehouse in my city back in the day. This one got past me.

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I know someone who could probably make you a flywheel gear if you have a good one still. I motor should be able to be found I would think.
The problem is that the plastic gear on the flywheel engages with very narrow and sharp gear that just cuts a groove into it over time. It should have been all brass. It's toast.
Those Minimus speakers are freaking fabulous. I sold so many of them back in the 80s.
Ribtor posted:
The problem is that the plastic gear on the flywheel engages with very narrow and sharp gear that just cuts a groove into it over time. It should have been all brass. It's toast.


Dang the guy I know made a gear for a projector lens shift that kept breaking. The one he made was like 100x stronger and never broke again over the life of the unit.
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