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The new Apple car is here!

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It's actually gold. I made it black and white.
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last one... ?
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How long until the cheese grater joke is played out?
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probably as long as the trash can joke
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macnuke wrote: the feet will make sliding it in and out of semi enclosed spaces even easier than the version 1 cheese handles did.


it's got WHEELS

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it needs donks

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Could they make it look more like a cheesegrater? It seems almost intentional.
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the grater was rather popular - going back to what worked with a bit of change
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https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/user/Futurd ... ved/ZgRV7P

This is as close of an approximation as I care enough to attempt.
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$999 for a monitor stand? :0
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Yeah, that's pretty ludicrous.
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obvs wrote: Yeah, that's pretty Image.



fixed that for you :D

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macnuke wrote:
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fixed that for you :D

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I'm curious to see if they devised a special tool for milling all of those spherical cavities, because they look a little over engineered and a machinist it looks like it would be time consuming to diddle about with little spherical endmills.

A lot of effort for something that tbh looks like human waste. Or at least an antithesis to Apple's clean minimalism design philosophy. It looks downright nasty on the back of those monitors.
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I'm waiting for hands on reviews that compare the monitor to similarly priced competitors and the $40k reference monitors it supposedly competes with. Even if it does and it uses a special trick and reference monitors weren't inflated to 10x the cost to make, the next Gen of monitors will be competitive in price and capability methinks.
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Betonhaus wrote: I'm curious to see if they devised a special tool for milling all of those spherical cavities, because they look a little over engineered and a machinist it looks like it would be time consuming to diddle about with little spherical endmills.

A lot of effort for something that tbh looks like human waste. Or at least an antithesis to Apple's clean minimalism design philosophy. It looks downright nasty on the back of those monitors.


Nah. Multi spindle CNC machine. We’re decades past machining that by hand.

Personally I think it’s gorgeous, but I’ve also seen gorgeous oil tankers and frying pans. In a professional tool, form following function is beauty.
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jkahless wrote:
Betonhaus wrote: I'm curious to see if they devised a special tool for milling all of those spherical cavities, because they look a little over engineered and a machinist it looks like it would be time consuming to diddle about with little spherical endmills.

A lot of effort for something that tbh looks like human waste. Or at least an antithesis to Apple's clean minimalism design philosophy. It looks downright nasty on the back of those monitors.


Nah. Multi spindle CNC machine. We’re decades past machining that by hand.

Personally I think it’s gorgeous, but I’ve also seen gorgeous oil tankers and frying pans. In a professional tool, form following function is beauty.

A multi spindle CNC machine is still going to diddle around with a ballmill to get all of those inside surface. I can play around with mastercam a bit when i get back to my idle project thursday but I'd expect it to still take a long time to mass produce thses things
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YES IT IS EXPENSIVE

So I'm posting this just to see someone hate it

https://www.theverge.com/2019/6/4/18651 ... l-computer

Be warned: You could say a fanboy wrote that article, but it does explain things.

I don't believe you can have an exact, 1 to 1, comparable PC. Something close enough? arguably. Although I do agree that having 2 or 3 "close enough" could be preferable, for work stuff.

Same with monitors. You'll get "close enough" at best. Maybe.


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And now o hate the monitor stand

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https://gizmodo.com/how-ridiculous-is-a ... 1835237372

Don't worry, this one doesn't really try to justify the price.
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Found you a stand, 26$

https://www.amazon.com/Computer-Free-St ... 82&sr=8-28

But you'll still need the 200$ VESA mount
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an articulated arm is great. I have monitors sitting on top of reams of copy paper to adjust the height.
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3rd of the price? better? same?

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user wrote: an articulated arm is great. I have monitors sitting on top of reams of copy paper to adjust the height.


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user wrote: an articulated arm is great. I have monitors sitting on top of reams of copy paper to adjust the height.
I have a ~$100 Freedom Arm.

It can go in any direction, in any orientation.
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The drawer that can sit over the tucked away keyboard is the cat's ass. Picked it out of garbage on my way to work. It has a shiny front with holes. That's design.
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I noticed the calculator
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ukimalefu wrote: I noticed the calculator


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Betonhaus wrote:
jkahless wrote:
Betonhaus wrote: I'm curious to see if they devised a special tool for milling all of those spherical cavities, because they look a little over engineered and a machinist it looks like it would be time consuming to diddle about with little spherical endmills.

A lot of effort for something that tbh looks like human waste. Or at least an antithesis to Apple's clean minimalism design philosophy. It looks downright nasty on the back of those monitors.


Nah. Multi spindle CNC machine. We’re decades past machining that by hand.

Personally I think it’s gorgeous, but I’ve also seen gorgeous oil tankers and frying pans. In a professional tool, form following function is beauty.

A multi spindle CNC machine is still going to diddle around with a ballmill to get all of those inside surface. I can play around with mastercam a bit when i get back to my idle project thursday but I'd expect it to still take a long time to mass produce thses things


I’m also 100% sure from the pictures I’ve seen and descriptions I’ve heard that there’s no recessed surfaces, it’s just half spheres machined into the front and back of the surface. I remember seeing patent drawings of this from apple years back. Seems a good way to get an evenly turbulent airflow.
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Betonhaus wrote:
jkahless wrote:
Betonhaus wrote: I'm curious to see if they devised a special tool for milling all of those spherical cavities, because they look a little over engineered and a machinist it looks like it would be time consuming to diddle about with little spherical endmills.

A lot of effort for something that tbh looks like human waste. Or at least an antithesis to Apple's clean minimalism design philosophy. It looks downright nasty on the back of those monitors.


Nah. Multi spindle CNC machine. We’re decades past machining that by hand.

Personally I think it’s gorgeous, but I’ve also seen gorgeous oil tankers and frying pans. In a professional tool, form following function is beauty.

A multi spindle CNC machine is still going to diddle around with a ballmill to get all of those inside surface. I can play around with mastercam a bit when i get back to my idle project thursday but I'd expect it to still take a long time to mass produce thses things


It's probably stamped.
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dv wrote:
Betonhaus wrote:
jkahless wrote:
Betonhaus wrote: I'm curious to see if they devised a special tool for milling all of those spherical cavities, because they look a little over engineered and a machinist it looks like it would be time consuming to diddle about with little spherical endmills.

A lot of effort for something that tbh looks like human waste. Or at least an antithesis to Apple's clean minimalism design philosophy. It looks downright nasty on the back of those monitors.


Nah. Multi spindle CNC machine. We’re decades past machining that by hand.

Personally I think it’s gorgeous, but I’ve also seen gorgeous oil tankers and frying pans. In a professional tool, form following function is beauty.

A multi spindle CNC machine is still going to diddle around with a ballmill to get all of those inside surface. I can play around with mastercam a bit when i get back to my idle project thursday but I'd expect it to still take a long time to mass produce thses things


It's probably stamped.


And how do you stamp a hollow sphere into solid aluminum?
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Betonhaus wrote:
dv wrote:
Betonhaus wrote:
jkahless wrote:
Betonhaus wrote: I'm curious to see if they devised a special tool for milling all of those spherical cavities, because they look a little over engineered and a machinist it looks like it would be time consuming to diddle about with little spherical endmills.

A lot of effort for something that tbh looks like human waste. Or at least an antithesis to Apple's clean minimalism design philosophy. It looks downright nasty on the back of those monitors.


Nah. Multi spindle CNC machine. We’re decades past machining that by hand.

Personally I think it’s gorgeous, but I’ve also seen gorgeous oil tankers and frying pans. In a professional tool, form following function is beauty.

A multi spindle CNC machine is still going to diddle around with a ballmill to get all of those inside surface. I can play around with mastercam a bit when i get back to my idle project thursday but I'd expect it to still take a long time to mass produce thses things


It's probably stamped.


And how do you stamp a hollow sphere into solid aluminum?


A steel stamp.

It's not solid aluminum, it's a sheet - look at the photo j_tso posted. You can see the backside of the rightmost hemispheres through the ones to their left. It's thin material.

Machining that would be fine for prototyping, but would result in either a lot of wasted mass, or a lot of wasted material, neither of which is optimal for mass production.
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dv wrote:
Betonhaus wrote:
dv wrote:
Betonhaus wrote:
jkahless wrote:
Betonhaus wrote: I'm curious to see if they devised a special tool for milling all of those spherical cavities, because they look a little over engineered and a machinist it looks like it would be time consuming to diddle about with little spherical endmills.

A lot of effort for something that tbh looks like human waste. Or at least an antithesis to Apple's clean minimalism design philosophy. It looks downright nasty on the back of those monitors.


Nah. Multi spindle CNC machine. We’re decades past machining that by hand.

Personally I think it’s gorgeous, but I’ve also seen gorgeous oil tankers and frying pans. In a professional tool, form following function is beauty.

A multi spindle CNC machine is still going to diddle around with a ballmill to get all of those inside surface. I can play around with mastercam a bit when i get back to my idle project thursday but I'd expect it to still take a long time to mass produce thses things


It's probably stamped.


And how do you stamp a hollow sphere into solid aluminum?


A steel stamp.

It's not solid aluminum, it's a sheet - look at the photo j_tso posted. You can see the backside of the rightmost hemispheres through the ones to their left. It's thin material.

Machining that would be fine for prototyping, but would result in either a lot of wasted mass, or a lot of wasted material, neither of which is optimal for mass production.


Nah. Definitely aluminium plate, ‘bout half an inch thick. The hemispheres are offset on the other side by one radius vertically and horizontally so three hemispheres on one side of the plane intersect with one hemisphere on the other side of the plane.

It’s pretty.

A lot of swarf, but easily recycled.
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I expect it’s made out of the same stock they machine the top panel out of, looks too thick compared to the bottom panel of the bare chassis.
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jkahless wrote: I expect it’s made out of the same stock they machine the top panel out of, looks too thick compared to the bottom panel of the bare chassis.


The thick part you mean, is part of the frame, and not part of the removable housing.

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The same stock means the same source material, as in 55 lb card stock.

Apparently apple makes their own aluminium supply from recycled material.

https://www.engadget.com/2018/10/30/app ... num-cases/
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jkahless wrote: The same stock means the same source material, as in 55 lb card stock.

Apparently apple makes their own aluminium supply from recycled material.

https://www.engadget.com/2018/10/30/app ... num-cases/


uhm... ok?

they could use different sheets of metal for different parts, I don't see why not
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ukimalefu wrote:
jkahless wrote: The same stock means the same source material, as in 55 lb card stock.

Apparently apple makes their own aluminium supply from recycled material.

https://www.engadget.com/2018/10/30/app ... num-cases/


uhm... ok?

they could use different sheets of metal for different parts, I don't see why not


You can, but only if you have a good reason. KISS

I’m thinking they probably sinter the front panel with the curves already in place, then machine the hemispheres.

https://youtu.be/Amz9IrZRmPc

You could rough in the hemispheres during the sintering process, but sintering doesn’t have high enough tolerances, and since you’re already directly recycling the swarf the added complication wouldn’t be worth it.
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ukimalefu wrote: And now o hate the monitor stand

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https://gizmodo.com/how-ridiculous-is-a ... 1835237372

Don't worry, this one doesn't really try to justify the price.

LOL, the stand on my HP monitor does all that, it will swivel, too.
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