Once again, THIS is why you unplug smart TVs from the net

maurvir · Post by **maurvir** » Thu Apr 04, 2019 10:37 pm

Yes, that's right. This soon to be full page of ads will be patched into existing sets AFTER purchase.

Post by dv » Thu Apr 04, 2019 10:45 pm

That's some leveraging synergies, right there.

user · Post by **user** » Fri Apr 05, 2019 6:56 am

From the comments: Pi Hole? mmmmmm.....

ukimalefu · Post by **ukimalefu** » Fri Apr 05, 2019 7:02 am

user wrote: From the comments: Pi Hole? mmmmmm.....

https://pi-hole.net/

Donkey Butter · Post by **Donkey Butter** » Fri Apr 05, 2019 7:41 am

I have a sony tv and never see the home screen since I use my Tv to serve up the content. So they can serve up all the adds they want, I'll never see them. (also when I first set up my tv I spend an hour or more going through the menus and shutting everything down.) Of course we all know that when google give you the option to turn off tracking they just keep on tracking.

Metacell · Post by **Metacell** » Fri Apr 05, 2019 7:53 am

Still, there should be a law passed that advertisers have to pay us for the bandwidth of our service that they use. Because it's not broadcast.

maurvir · Post by **maurvir** » Fri Apr 05, 2019 10:42 am

Metacell wrote: Still, there should be a law passed that advertisers have to pay us for the bandwidth of our service that they use. Because it's not broadcast.

I'd settle for a law that says you can't add this sort of crap to an already purchased television without the consent of its owner, and be required to warn customers before purchase that it exists.

ukimalefu · Post by **ukimalefu** » Fri Apr 05, 2019 10:48 am

maurvir wrote:
Metacell wrote: Still, there should be a law passed that advertisers have to pay us for the bandwidth of our service that they use. Because it's not broadcast.

I'd settle for a law that says you can't add this sort of crap to an already purchased television without the consent of its owner, and be required to warn customers before purchase that it exists.

AND those TVs should be super cheap.

sean · Post by **sean** » Fri Apr 05, 2019 7:22 pm

ukimalefu wrote:... AND those TVs should be free.

Fixed that for you.

If you are going to serve up advertising on it, don't expect me to pay for it. If I purchased a smart TV (I wouldn't, because of wankery like this) that made NO mention of advertising, and suddenly ads appeared, the manufacturer would be buying that TV back from me.

macnuke · Post by **macnuke** » Fri Apr 05, 2019 8:10 pm

smart TV with forced adverts on you? not very smart.

Post by dv » Fri Apr 05, 2019 10:09 pm

maurvir wrote:
Metacell wrote: Still, there should be a law passed that advertisers have to pay us for the bandwidth of our service that they use. Because it's not broadcast.

I'd settle for a law that says you can't add this sort of crap to an already purchased television without the consent of its owner, and be required to warn customers before purchase that it exists.

I'm sure that consent is already buried in the EULA that nobody read.

macnuke · Post by **macnuke** » Fri Apr 05, 2019 10:24 pm

you want your TV dumbed down....

but you give your phone apps permission to pinpoint your location, read, write, browse and delete stuff on your phone.... and that's OK. :up:

gotcha

maurvir · Post by **maurvir** » Fri Apr 05, 2019 10:38 pm

macnuke wrote: you want your TV dumbed down....

but you give your phone apps permission to pinpoint your location, read, write, browse and delete stuff on your phone.... and that's OK. gotcha

I run a VPN firewall on my phone.

Post by dv » Sat Apr 06, 2019 6:13 pm

macnuke wrote: you want your TV dumbed down....

but you give your phone apps permission to pinpoint your location, read, write, browse and delete stuff on your phone.... and that's OK. gotcha

No... no I don't.

C. Ives · Post by **C. Ives** » Sat Apr 06, 2019 7:41 pm

dv wrote:
macnuke wrote: you want your TV dumbed down....

but you give your phone apps permission to pinpoint your location, read, write, browse and delete stuff on your phone.... and that's OK. gotcha

No... no I don't.

Even if I did it's a faulty comparison. My phone is a computer in my pocket that happens to be able to make calls. My TV is a TV.

macnuke · Post by **macnuke** » Sat Apr 06, 2019 8:24 pm

C. Ives wrote:
dv wrote:
macnuke wrote: you want your TV dumbed down....

but you give your phone apps permission to pinpoint your location, read, write, browse and delete stuff on your phone.... and that's OK. gotcha

No... no I don't.

Even if I did it's a faulty comparison. My phone is a computer in my pocket that happens to be able to make calls. My TV is a TV.

your smart TV is a computer that lacks the phone app.
your phone has the app.. it's just portable is all.

C. Ives · Post by **C. Ives** » Sat Apr 06, 2019 8:42 pm

macnuke wrote:
C. Ives wrote:
dv wrote:
macnuke wrote: you want your TV dumbed down....

but you give your phone apps permission to pinpoint your location, read, write, browse and delete stuff on your phone.... and that's OK. gotcha

No... no I don't.

Even if I did it's a faulty comparison. My phone is a computer in my pocket that happens to be able to make calls. My TV is a TV.

your smart TV is a computer that lacks the phone app.
your phone has the app.. it's just portable is all.

Except . . .

macnuke wrote: you want your TV dumbed down....

avkills · Post by **avkills** » Sun Apr 07, 2019 11:00 am

Man I might just get a computer monitor for my next TV; would have to do some research on tuners for the over the air stuff (yeah I ain't paying for 500 stick fiddling channels.)

But then again, right now I am just fine with the 32" non-smart Sony.

macnuke · Post by **macnuke** » Sun Apr 07, 2019 1:44 pm

C. Ives wrote:
macnuke wrote:
C. Ives wrote:
dv wrote:
macnuke wrote: you want your TV dumbed down....

but you give your phone apps permission to pinpoint your location, read, write, browse and delete stuff on your phone.... and that's OK. gotcha

No... no I don't.

Even if I did it's a faulty comparison. My phone is a computer in my pocket that happens to be able to make calls. My TV is a TV.

your smart TV is a computer that lacks the phone app.
your phone has the app.. it's just portable is all.

Except . . .
macnuke wrote: you want your TV dumbed down....

my smart TV is controlled by a device external to it. so it's basically the monitor part of the TV is all I use. so yeah.. it's dumbed down.

user · Post by **user** » Sun Apr 07, 2019 3:18 pm

getting a tv for its smart/wifi features is not a good idea because the manufacturers tend to rapidly drop support for those features - no upgrades

an external streaming device is far superior

DukeofNuke · Post by **DukeofNuke** » Mon Apr 08, 2019 12:07 pm

user wrote: getting a tv for its smart/wifi features is not a good idea because the manufacturers tend to rapidly drop support for those features - no upgrades

an external streaming device is far superior

and there are a hundred useless apps on the smart tv that want you to sign in and subscribe.
And you can't add or delete apps. You're just left hanging.
And not just smart tvs, but other devices, like disk players, too.
So, you buy a Roku or AppleTV so you can download apps, basically just to get HBO and Prime, and now you've got one device that you can use, but five that have Netflix, Hulu, pandora, I-heart-radio, and a plethora of apps that you will NEVER use.

Ribtor · Post by **Ribtor** » Mon Apr 08, 2019 12:19 pm

Can a TV screen be paired with a smartphone display so that when you swipe on the phone it swipes the TV screen? That would be a thing.

Post by dv » Mon Apr 08, 2019 12:32 pm

Ribtor wrote: Can a TV screen be paired with a smartphone display so that when you swipe on the phone it swipes the TV screen? That would be a thing.

I also saw that meme the other day.

DukeofNuke · Post by **DukeofNuke** » Mon Apr 08, 2019 6:09 pm

Ribtor wrote: Can a TV screen be paired with a smartphone display so that when you swipe on the phone it swipes the TV screen? That would be a thing.

"Screen Mirroring"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UeOWaQCtrpw

macnuke · Post by **macnuke** » Mon Apr 08, 2019 6:58 pm

mirror is what we do at the hunting camp. killed the dish... too far for cable.. but a nice 4g let tower that gives 4 bars.
so it's phone to tv out there now.

Pariah · Post by **Pariah** » Tue Apr 09, 2019 3:37 pm

One way to look at it is that all the crap they put on smart TVs subsidizes the price on the backs of n00bs and non-techies while those of us informed enough not to use the smart features get a monitor for less to hook to our choice of devices.
Kinda like how a PC loaded with crapware is cheaper.

DukeofNuke · Post by **DukeofNuke** » Tue Apr 09, 2019 4:26 pm

I bought a big-screen smart tv when I could have saved money getting the same size monitor; but I had this nagging doubt about future use and limiting myself to not being able to use an antenna should the need arise.

maurvir · Post by **maurvir** » Tue Apr 09, 2019 6:29 pm

Pariah wrote: One way to look at it is that all the crap they put on smart TVs subsidizes the price on the backs of n00bs and non-techies while those of us informed enough not to use the smart features get a monitor for less to hook to our choice of devices.
Kinda like how a PC loaded with crapware is cheaper.

True, sorta. I use a 32" Vizio TV as my Hack's monitor. It does not handle loss of signal the way a true monitor would and go into a power saving mode. Instead, it warns you for about 5 minutes then powers all the way off. The only way to recover is to turn it back on with the remote or power button. You can turn this timer off, but then the display just sits there displaying an error message the whole time.

Ironically, if you send it an audio feed without video over HDMI, it will correctly turn the backlight off after a moment or two. I like to use those "black screen" ambient sound videos, and the TV usually picks up on the lack of video and turns off the display leaving only the speakers on.

That exception aside, however, it makes a very nice display for the money.

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