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They [don't] want to rebuild the Arecibo telescope

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Puerto Rico commits $8 million to rebuild Arecibo telescope

There’s a glimmer of hope for the collapsed Arecibo Observatory telescope as 2020 draws to a close. El Nuevo Dia reports that Puerto Rico Governor Wanda Vázquez has signed an executive order approving $8 million to help rebuild the radio telescope. Its reconstruction is important as a matter of “public policy” and reestablishing the Observatory as a “world-class educational center,” the Governor’s office said.

The National Science Foundation said it would tear down the Observatory as repairs would be too dangerous, although that doesn’t rule out building a new structure in its place.


So, yeah, 8 million isn't anywhere near enough, the article mentions that. But hey, it's indeed a glimmer of hope. I'll take it.
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i really don't see it happening, i'm afraid
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She is an idiot. I don’t know where they are even getting the insufficient $8 million from.
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gd posted wrote: She is an idiot. I don’t know where they are even getting the insufficient $8 million from.

Hopeful seed money?
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gd posted wrote: She is an idiot. I don’t know where they are even getting the insufficient $8 million from.


If it were rebuilt, I'd expect far more than 8 million dollars in economic benefits for PR. If she can bring money in, it might be a smart choice. If she can't, the money won't get spent.
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jkahless posted wrote:
gd posted wrote: She is an idiot. I don’t know where they are even getting the insufficient $8 million from.


If it were rebuilt, I'd expect far more than 8 million dollars in economic benefits for PR. If she can bring money in, it might be a smart choice. If she can't, the money won't get spent.



She's not the newly elected governor. She wasn't elected for her term either. She had the position imposed upon her after the island went on strike for a couple of weeks non-stop in front of La Fortaleza to get Gov. Ricardo Rosello to resign because of a leaked chat that revealed homophobic, and sexist comments as well as the extent of the corruption in his administration. Gov. Vázquez was like the third or fourth in line according to the constitution to receive the position after the others before her either refused or were also forced to step down from their position.

She was not elected during November's elections either, in fact, she didn't even make it past primaries. Most of the population holds her in contempt. The new guy that got elected, Gov. Pierluisi, did not win by a landslide either. 70% of the voters did not vote for him. About 33% of the votes were for the three other minor party candidates combined and another 30% for the other major party candidate. I really don't see him effectively carrying on the efforts of bringing back the Arecibo Radiotelescope once he takes office in late January. And if he does, he would probably do it to boost his approval ratings. Again, where he would get the money is a big question. Obama's administration appointed a Financial Oversight and Management Board that will almost certainly block funding to the Radiotelescope.

If these past election results are anything to go by, I believe that within the next three elections the minor parties may have one of their candidates elected governor. In this past election, some of the minor parties and independent candidates achieved being elected Mayors and Legislators.
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I'm just saying, it seems like a decent risk reward ratio.
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jkahless posted wrote: I'm just saying, it seems like a decent risk reward ratio.


It would be for a country that A. has a say in its finances, B. is not as in debt and in financial ruin as Puerto Rico, and C. can actually get human waste done.
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I was thinking if they could get funding from the mainland and bring money into the island, but you know the politics involved better than I do. Cause I don't. At all.
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Or try to make Puerto Rico a state and push for it to be done.
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obvs posted wrote: Or try to make Puerto Rico a state and push for it to be done.

Now that’s just crazy talk.

Because it’s reasonable and would mean both representation for a group and another set of Democratic Senators.
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jkahless posted wrote: I'm just saying, it seems like a decent risk reward ratio.


the poverty rate in puerto rico is almost 50%, rebuilding the radio telescope with vast sums that don't exist isn't going to put a dent in that

there are much more pressing needs on the island right now, unfortunately, for example a devastated tourism sector, still-damaged infrastructure ... the list is long
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TOS posted wrote:
jkahless posted wrote: I'm just saying, it seems like a decent risk reward ratio.


the poverty rate in puerto rico is almost 50%, rebuilding the radio telescope with vast sums that don't exist isn't going to put a dent in that

there are much more pressing needs on the island right now, unfortunately, for example a devastated tourism sector, still-damaged infrastructure ... the list is long


Oh God yes. This is definitely very low priority. If we could shut down the entire space programme and dedicate that money to effective anti poverty measures, I'd be onboard in a second, no matter how much I love space.
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jkahless posted wrote:
TOS posted wrote:
jkahless posted wrote: I'm just saying, it seems like a decent risk reward ratio.


the poverty rate in puerto rico is almost 50%, rebuilding the radio telescope with vast sums that don't exist isn't going to put a dent in that

there are much more pressing needs on the island right now, unfortunately, for example a devastated tourism sector, still-damaged infrastructure ... the list is long


Oh God yes. This is definitely very low priority. If we could shut down the entire space programme and dedicate that money to effective anti poverty measures, I'd be onboard in a second, no matter how much I love space.


I would agree with you... but we all know the space program, and science, american budget is pennies. And saying "pennies", plural, is stretching it.
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jkahless posted wrote:
TOS posted wrote:
jkahless posted wrote: I'm just saying, it seems like a decent risk reward ratio.


the poverty rate in puerto rico is almost 50%, rebuilding the radio telescope with vast sums that don't exist isn't going to put a dent in that

there are much more pressing needs on the island right now, unfortunately, for example a devastated tourism sector, still-damaged infrastructure ... the list is long


Oh God yes. This is definitely very low priority. If we could shut down the entire space programme and dedicate that money to effective anti poverty measures, I'd be onboard in a second, no matter how much I love space.
Actually, I think scientific study would be a beneficial investment for Puerto Rico.
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They should get Hollywood to kick in some cash for a rebuild considering how often that telescope has been used as a location in the past.
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I sort of missed the news today, but my mom gave me a short recap. Basically, the new Governor was sworn in and he already eliminated the executive order that provisioned the $8 million fund for the construction of a replacement radiotelescope.
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too bad they aren't a part of the actual legislative branch, they could've gotten the funding by pork barreling it into the Covid relief bill like all the other non Covid stuff.
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Well, it seems like China will let international scientist use their big radio telescope

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science ... ding-those

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it's not the same thing, China one is radio and PR one was a radar telescope. The next closest one is NASA owned one that is part of their DSN collection of instruments.
Aaron_R posted wrote: NASA runs a Radar Telescope as part of the Deep Space Network but compared to Arecibo it has almost halve the range (yes even though it is x20 times less powerful it is only about 1/2 range lost since the inverse square law) but it does have a greater 3 axis gimble so in the end it has roughly about the same area of coverage Arecibo had since it has that greater field of view to work with, just can't see as far out.

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the next logical step is to put something in space, preferably a network of satellites, but radio astronomy has never been glamorous enough for that kind of thing
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