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Every summer there is an influx of bicyclists on the roads through here. I think Hwy 15 is on some kind of bike trail and these people come riding through with their overloaded cross-country bikes. I don't know where they come from or where they're going, but they scare the human waste out of me. With all the construction on 15 right now there are daily accidents. Usually just fender benders but there have been some very serious ones. Last week one of the flagger ladies got run over and had to be helicopter-ed out to a major trauma center (I understand she's in stable condition now). THe roads are too narrow, the coal trucks too aggressive (Go ahead and run that red light pal. I'll wait.). There are very very few 'neighborhoods' where kids can ride their bikes up and down the sidewalk in front of the house or 'round the cul-de-sac. Kids around here don't even learn to ride bikes because there's just no place to go; they're more likely to drive an ATV before they can ride a bike.
I'm not blaming the cyclists, I wish I was fit enough to join them, but I wouldn't do it around here.
Anyway, I thought this looked like a good idea an I thought I'd share.
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Yes :up:

I'd do that

And I think this is a better picture, you can clearly see the thing in the distance

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I stick fiddling hate Henry Ford. And he was a total Nazi fer' real, too.
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Metacell wrote: I stick fiddling hate Henry Ford. And he was a total Nazi fer' real, too.


Close. He was awarded a medal by the German government in 1938.

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nice trick with the pool noodle. I could use that on our local roads too. The cars can be overly aggressive.
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maurvir wrote:
Metacell wrote: I stick fiddling hate Henry Ford. And he was a total Nazi fer' real, too.


Close. He was awarded a medal by the German government in 1938.

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What do you mean "close?" What aspect of Ford's well-known anti-semitism and Nazi sympathies are you saying isn't quite extreme enough to qualify him as a "total Nazi?"
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He wasn't German or a member of the Nazi party?
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maurvir wrote: He wasn't German or a member of the Nazi party?


Not being German is hardly disqualifying.

Ford was not officially a member of the German Socialist Workers' Party, but he probably funded it in the '20s and Ford's German subsidiary utilized POW slave labor while still under Henry's direct control in 1940. He's also mentioned by name in Mein Kampf, for... you know. The Nazi stuff.
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No one is arguing that he wasn't an anti-Semitic asshat, or that he was close to the Nazis. However, unless we want to water the term down like we did with "war criminal", there does need to be a threshold. He was definitely a Nazi sympathizer, though.
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To be fair, a Nazi sympathizer in 1934 means something completely different than a Nazi sympathizer in 1954 or 2019.
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maurvir wrote: No one is arguing that he wasn't an anti-Semitic asshat, or that he was close to the Nazis. However, unless we want to water the term down like we did with "war criminal", there does need to be a threshold. He was definitely a Nazi sympathizer, though.


you have a penchant for arguing the weirdest things

henry ford was a nazi

he

was

a

nazi
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TOS wrote:you have a penchant for arguing the weirdest things



Good people on both sides. It's a white guy thing. Absolves us of responsibility or culpability.
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Um, I never said he was a nice guy. He was a Nazi sympathizer and actively aided them, and that made him a fascist scumbag. I was just pointing out that Ford was never an official member or German citizen. It's neither weird nor wrong.
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I agree with maur on this one.
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so he just wasn't card-carrying?
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It's even grosser that our government collaborated with Henry Ford to create the autorama whirwind of economic and environmental self-destruction. Even in the 50's you could still take trains from one coast to another with lines that would go through every town. All those abandoned tracks that criss-cross America once carried passengers every day. People could take the scenic route over the Santa Cruz Mountains to Montery while drinking Martinis, and most people could afford them...(the trains, maybe not the Martinis). But no, it's gotta' be about the consumer power of the individual. Freedom! Just another way to soak the poor.
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maurvir wrote: Um, I never said he was a nice guy. He was a Nazi sympathizer and actively aided them, and that made him a fascist scumbag. I was just pointing out that Ford was never an official member or German citizen. It's neither weird nor wrong.


so no one is a nazi unless they have an actual membership number of the national socialist german worker's party?

for heaven's sake, let's just look at the definition (note #2)

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Capitalization makes a difference.
Ask any Grammer Nazi !

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Grammar?

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:up:
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Well, by that definition:

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However, in the context given, specifically as it pertains to his being awarded a medal by the German government, it was implied that we were referring to "Nazis" as a specific group. In that case, Henry Ford was not a Nazi. He was a nazi.
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Speaking of WWII, nazi sympathizers, anybody who helped them, or looked the other way, weren't officially "Nazis" with a capital "N", but weren't treated kindly after the true Nazis were defeated.
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and now, let's tie all that into the topic

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juice wrote: To be fair, a Nazi sympathizer in 1934 means something completely different than a Nazi sympathizer in 1954 or 2019.

That they were an uncouth individual before it became clearly defined?
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ukimalefu wrote: Speaking of WWII, nazi sympathizers, anybody who helped them, or looked the other way, weren't officially "Nazis" with a capital "N", but weren't treated kindly after the true Nazis were defeated.



In the USA they were treated FAR, far better than any of the people affiliated with left wing/socialist communist organizations prior to the war. (most of whom left those groups after the Stalin-Hitler non-aggression pact)
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