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That's a shame, they spent a lot of time getting rid of the distortions where it curves up the roof.
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i'm really liking the polestar 2

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TOS wrote:
Pariah wrote: I got to thinking about Tesla cars so I went to browse thru the Tesla Motors site and looks like I would never buy a Tesla for something that has nothing to do with them being electric.
Unless I missed something it looks like every Tesla comes with that transparent sky roof and I would never in a million years buy a car featuring a see through roof. My car has a sunroof and the best feature of that sunroof is the solid panel I can slide over it to cover it up.
I stick fiddling HATE having the sun beating down on me in when it is high in the sky. The only time I open my sunroof is in the evening or night time. But during the day it is closed off so I don't have to deal with the suns glare during the day.
My glass in my sunroof is quite darkly tinted but even with that it is unpleasant during the day.
I was kinda disappointed about the roof situation with Tesla cars. They are nice but I could never buy one as they are.


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I detest skylights for the same reason. That said my sister and a couple friends have Teslas. Its not actually a problem. The tint is dark enough during daytime. Note they lighten up at night.
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when i was a kid my dad's pontiac had a t-top with removable sunroofs, i loved it, stared out every time i went for a ride
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This one is covered in solar panels

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Too bad it's ugly. And if I understand correctly, the solar panels only work as range extender.

https://lightyear.one/
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ukimalefu wrote: This one is covered in solar panels

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Too bad it's ugly. And if I understand correctly, the solar panels only work as range extender.

https://lightyear.one/

And not much of a range extender. Given output of modern panels and the draw of an EV it would probably take a week or more of full sun to charge a car up. But onboard panels could be useful for running the environmental controls for the EV batteries to keep them within operating temps while parked in very hot or very cold environments.
But, yes that car is ugly and is a good example of the kind of styling that has held back alternative cars for decades. People want cars that don't scream "I am and alt energy car!!!".
Fortunately it seems like at least some companies have grokked that truth, others, like Light Year seem to have missed the memo.
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I don't think that car is ugly.

I actually like the way it looks.
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obvs wrote: I don't think that car is ugly.

I actually like the way it looks.

I am not a fan of cab-forward designs in general.
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me neither

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I've never actually liked vehicles that have really long hoods.

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me neither

Nice and....

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I would drive that. and enjoy every moment of it.

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not that they're phallic or anything
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TOS wrote: not that they're phallic or anything

Ya, ya and all doorways are vaginas.
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Fake noise will be added to new electric cars starting today in the EU

All new models of electric cars sold in the European Union must now make artificial noise under certain conditions, reports BBC News. Acoustic Vehicle Alert Systems (aka, AVAS) will need to be installed in new models of hybrid and electric cars introduced from today onward, and all existing models by July 2021. With an AVAS installed, vehicles will need to make a sound while traveling under 12 mph, or while reversing.


There's a sample video from Nissan with cool sci-fi sounds, but it's not the Jetsons sound:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdWswvLPdE0
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ukimalefu wrote: Fake noise will be added to new electric cars starting today in the EU

All new models of electric cars sold in the European Union must now make artificial noise under certain conditions, reports BBC News. Acoustic Vehicle Alert Systems (aka, AVAS) will need to be installed in new models of hybrid and electric cars introduced from today onward, and all existing models by July 2021. With an AVAS installed, vehicles will need to make a sound while traveling under 12 mph, or while reversing.


There's a sample video from Nissan with cool sci-fi sounds, but it's not the Jetsons sound:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdWswvLPdE0


multiple carmakers are already doing that with internal combustion cars, been doing it for years

https://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/a ... -11291754/
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TOS wrote:
ukimalefu wrote: Fake noise will be added to new electric cars starting today in the EU

All new models of electric cars sold in the European Union must now make artificial noise under certain conditions, reports BBC News. Acoustic Vehicle Alert Systems (aka, AVAS) will need to be installed in new models of hybrid and electric cars introduced from today onward, and all existing models by July 2021. With an AVAS installed, vehicles will need to make a sound while traveling under 12 mph, or while reversing.


There's a sample video from Nissan with cool sci-fi sounds, but it's not the Jetsons sound:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdWswvLPdE0


multiple carmakers are already doing that with internal combustion cars, been doing it for years

https://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/a ... -11291754/


There are two different things, vroom vroom sounds inside or outside to fool idiots, and electric vehicles making sounds outside for pedestrians safety.
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ukimalefu wrote:
TOS wrote:
ukimalefu wrote: Fake noise will be added to new electric cars starting today in the EU

All new models of electric cars sold in the European Union must now make artificial noise under certain conditions, reports BBC News. Acoustic Vehicle Alert Systems (aka, AVAS) will need to be installed in new models of hybrid and electric cars introduced from today onward, and all existing models by July 2021. With an AVAS installed, vehicles will need to make a sound while traveling under 12 mph, or while reversing.


There's a sample video from Nissan with cool sci-fi sounds, but it's not the Jetsons sound:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdWswvLPdE0


multiple carmakers are already doing that with internal combustion cars, been doing it for years

https://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/a ... -11291754/


There are two different things, vroom vroom sounds inside or outside to fool idiots, and electric vehicles making sounds outside for pedestrians safety.

Ya, the safety sounds are needed, the interior sound are the adult version of sticking a playing card in the spokes of a bike.
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Pariah wrote:
ukimalefu wrote:
TOS wrote:
ukimalefu wrote: Fake noise will be added to new electric cars starting today in the EU

All new models of electric cars sold in the European Union must now make artificial noise under certain conditions, reports BBC News. Acoustic Vehicle Alert Systems (aka, AVAS) will need to be installed in new models of hybrid and electric cars introduced from today onward, and all existing models by July 2021. With an AVAS installed, vehicles will need to make a sound while traveling under 12 mph, or while reversing.


There's a sample video from Nissan with cool sci-fi sounds, but it's not the Jetsons sound:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdWswvLPdE0


multiple carmakers are already doing that with internal combustion cars, been doing it for years

https://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/a ... -11291754/


There are two different things, vroom vroom sounds inside or outside to fool idiots, and electric vehicles making sounds outside for pedestrians safety.

Ya, the safety sounds are needed, the interior sound are the adult version of sticking a playing card in the spokes of a bike.

Doesn't mean it's any less fun. The symposer on my car never fails to put a smile on my face. Granted that's just natural engine sounds being focused and amplified, but still.
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slow transition to electric cost ceo of bmw his job

As Krueger puzzled over how to reinvent BMW for the electric age, it was almost a year before he presented his strategic vision, which was a bust. He delayed BMW’s next major electric car, effectively squandering its leadership in the field. Key engineers quit to set up an electric-vehicle startup. And to help pay for the shift, Krueger doubled down on gas-guzzling, super-charged luxury cars such as the 8-Series sports car and full-size X7 SUV.

At Krueger’s first major public appearance, at the Frankfurt car show in 2015, the CEO collapsed on stage minutes into a presentation. He blamed the episode on dehydration and too many hours flying, but it was an apt metaphor for his leadership.
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THE LOTUS EVIJA IS A LUDICROUSLY POWERFUL ELECTRIC HYPERCAR

In true hypercar fashion, only 130 will be made, and they will each start at £1.5 million ($1.86 million).

The price isn’t the Evija’s only spine-shivering number. The hypercar packs a 1,972-horsepower punch thanks to four electric motors, one dedicated to each wheel. It will have a top speed of over 200 miles per hour and can go from 0 to 60 miles per in under 3 seconds. Lotus is targeting 250 miles of range, which is quite high considering the performance the company is touting, and the company also says the car can be charged to 80 percent from zero in just 12 minutes on 350kW chargers (like can be found on Volkswagen’s Electrify America network), with a full charge taking only 18 minutes. And when 800kW charging becomes available, Lotus says a full charge will take just nine minutes.


Oh, by the way, Lotus is chinese now.
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It will be no time now until electric cars completely blow gas-powered cars out of the water on every conceivable level (well except for that gas-pump smell).
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ukimalefu wrote: Image

THE LOTUS EVIJA IS A LUDICROUSLY POWERFUL ELECTRIC HYPERCAR

In true hypercar fashion, only 130 will be made, and they will each start at £1.5 million ($1.86 million).

The price isn’t the Evija’s only spine-shivering number. The hypercar packs a 1,972-horsepower punch thanks to four electric motors, one dedicated to each wheel. It will have a top speed of over 200 miles per hour and can go from 0 to 60 miles per in under 3 seconds. Lotus is targeting 250 miles of range, which is quite high considering the performance the company is touting, and the company also says the car can be charged to 80 percent from zero in just 12 minutes on 350kW chargers (like can be found on Volkswagen’s Electrify America network), with a full charge taking only 18 minutes. And when 800kW charging becomes available, Lotus says a full charge will take just nine minutes.


Oh, by the way, Lotus is chinese now.


meh, so's volvo
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So is Smithfield Foods
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Don't worry!

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Regarding electric trucks, here's Ford's pulling a train.
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2019/07/fo ... -of-train/
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Betonhaus wrote: Regarding electric trucks, here's Ford's pulling a train.
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2019/07/fo ... -of-train/


I'm not saying I don't believe that video, but it's a bad video. Too many quick cuts, and bad acting, and too corporate. But it's cool that they're making that truck.

I hope to see Elon Musk trying to one up that by pulling a Falcon Heavy rocket with a Tesla truck. Just for the fun of it.
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ukimalefu wrote:
Betonhaus wrote: Regarding electric trucks, here's Ford's pulling a train.
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2019/07/fo ... -of-train/


I'm not saying I don't believe that video, but it's a bad video. Too many quick cuts, and bad acting, and too corporate. But it's cool that they're making that truck.

I hope to see Elon Musk trying to one up that by pulling a Falcon Heavy rocket with a Tesla truck. Just for the fun of it.


They're definitely copying the Chevy truck commercials with that format.

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I love the concept, but one of the issues I see is that vintage cars sucked from a safety standpoint. They didn't have crumple zones, proper pillar supports, etc. That said, if I could afford it, I would drive the crap out of an electric Porsche. The whole concept of "future retro" is attractive to me.
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I love the concept, but one of the issues I see is that vintage cars sucked from a safety standpoint. They didn't have crumple zones, proper pillar supports, etc. That said, if I could afford it, I would drive the crap out of an electric Porsche. The whole concept of "future retro" is attractive to me.

I was someone who used to drive around in cars that were seriously death traps all the time. My Spitfire, my Hot Bugs were a lot of fun but, man, you were stick fiddled in a crash but my worst best fun car was my bug based dune buggy, 900lbs w/250hp, Kind of like a really primitive Ariel Atom but even less safe.
All that was fun but I also remember how many funerals I attended between the ages of 16 to early 20's at least ten if memory serves. I look back on my crazy, fun little cars with affection but I have no nostalgia for those times. That was then, this is now and cars are just better in every way today than they used to be back then.
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me neither

I would love to have a mid 60’s E type converted to electric.
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Vonnen Shadow Drive

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I just read about this in Road&Track. The motor/generator replaces the flywheel and gives a 150hp increase. The selling point is the power boost while retaining the original engine and components, the engine doesn't have to know it's there.
Currently they're only offering it for Porsches and it's $75k.

It's not going to turn an old Porsche 911 into a 918 or a Prius, but if it was made a lot more affordable it could replace turbo upgrade kits. No need to retune the ignition and fuel, or have to get different intake and exhaust manifolds.
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Warin wrote:
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me neither

I would love to have a mid 60’s E type converted to electric.


jaguar will do it for you

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One thing nice about an electric pickup truck is that you have enough room in the bed for a decent sized gas generator, charge as you go. :)
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Pariah wrote: One thing nice about an electric pickup truck is that you have enough room in the bed for a decent sized gas generator, charge as you go. :)


I think they've done a hybrid car like that, but the generator/gas tank was small, so it served only as a range extender.
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