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Not a real WWII Jeep. It's basically an adult size toy, sold by Alibaba.

This isn’t some electric Powerwheels toy – it can fit a couple of adults shoulder to shoulder. It’s more closely comparable to a golf cart in size and power, yet reaches a decent speed of 25 mph (40 km/h).

It’s also much cheaper than golf carts, which cost around $7,000 in the US.

Amazingly, this mini-Jeep is quite affordably priced at a mere $1,280.

But based on my conversations earlier this year with the Chinese factory, the final price shipped to a US port seemed to put it closer to $1,700.

https://electrek.co/2021/06/09/that-170 ... showed-up/

There's a video there with someone riding it that gives you a proper sense of scale and what it can do.

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General Motors announced that it would increase its investment in electric and autonomous vehicles to $35 billion through 2025. The new figure represents a 30 percent increase over the amount the automaker said it would spend last November, and a 75 percent increase from its initial investment prior to the pandemic.

https://www.theverge.com/2021/6/16/2253 ... s-vehicles

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the market has spoken, and they're listening

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Close look at the Ford F-150 Lightning, electric pickup truck (no driving)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXvUhVn_Kns

I never wanted a pickup truck. I like this one.

Ford is gonna sell a lot of them I think.

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It's kind of brain-dead obvious when you think about how much better EVs will be: No more expensive catalytic converters, no more expensive transmission replacements, NO ENGINE FAILURE, etc. etc.

I wonder how the mechanics feel about this.

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I keep thinking car companies should emphasize the lack of maintenance EVs need. There's still a liquid cooling system, but no more oil changes, timing belts, spark plugs, etc.

Then I remember people don't maintain their vehicles anyway.

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It's kind of brain-dead obvious when you think about how much better EVs will be: No more expensive catalytic converters, no more expensive transmission replacements, NO ENGINE FAILURE, etc. etc.

I wonder how the mechanics feel about this.

I'm sure Ford will be glad to not have another class action lawsuit over transmission replacements. The Mach-E has one of sorts but it's all electronic. The electric motors all share a driveshaft going through them and put power to it individually.

And we're still going to need hands on labor for the suspension and tires. Then the new training would have to be on electronic and software problems.

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ukimalefu wrote: Sat Jun 26, 2021 11:29 am

Close look at the Ford F-150 Lightning, electric pickup truck (no driving)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXvUhVn_Kns

I never wanted a pickup truck. I like this one.

Ford is gonna sell a lot of them I think.

holy sheep human waste

i mean i know that's the top trim but that's a phenomenal vehicle

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Volkswagen plans to stop selling combustion engine vehicles in Europe by 2035
The US and China will come “somewhat later,” a board member said

Zellmer said the automaker’s entire fleet will be carbon neutral by 2050 at the latest. He wants to see electric vehicles to account for 70 percent of the company’s total sales in Europe by 2030.

Volkswagen’s carbon-neutral targets are close to several competitors; Ford said earlier this year will only sell electric vehicles in Europe by 2030, and plans to spend $1 billion to convert its factory in Cologne, Germany, into an EV production line. And in April Honda said it plans to phase out gas-powered cars by 2040.

Several European countries have their own targets for banning traditional gas-powered vehicles, with Norway aiming for 2025 and France looking at 2040, and the UK planning on 2030. In the US, California plans to ban the sale of gas-powered vehicles by 2035, with several other states adopting California’s model.

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TOS wrote: Mon Jun 28, 2021 12:24 pm

report: tesla to launch a hot hatch to compete with volkswagen

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according to rumour it starts at $25k

Finally something I would consider. EV or not, sedans or pickup trucks are just not of interest to me.

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j_tso wrote: Sun Jun 27, 2021 12:20 am

I keep thinking car companies should emphasize the lack of maintenance EVs need. There's still a liquid cooling system, but no more oil changes, timing belts, spark plugs, etc.

study: evs cost 40% less to maintain than ice or hybrid vehicles

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It gets even more expensive when people will trade in their car when it needs any service billed at more than $1000.
I think I read it on Jalopnik of a dumb youtuber who traded in his Model S because it needed new tires.

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Pariah wrote: Mon Jun 28, 2021 3:10 pm
TOS wrote: Mon Jun 28, 2021 12:24 pm

report: tesla to launch a hot hatch to compete with volkswagen

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according to rumour it starts at $25k

Finally something I would consider. EV or not, sedans or pickup trucks are just not of interest to me.

Yes, I agree. The main reason why the model 3 is my favorite Tesla is because it's the smaller one.

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ukimalefu wrote: Tue Jun 29, 2021 3:47 am
Pariah wrote: Mon Jun 28, 2021 3:10 pm
TOS wrote: Mon Jun 28, 2021 12:24 pm

report: tesla to launch a hot hatch to compete with volkswagen

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according to rumour it starts at $25k

Finally something I would consider. EV or not, sedans or pickup trucks are just not of interest to me.

Yes, I agree. The main reason why the model 3 is my favorite Tesla is because it's the smaller one.

I want a small car with enough room inside to fit a weeks worth of camping gear. Even large sedans can't do that but a small hatchback will.

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"General Motors tells Chevy Bolt owners to park outside because batteries could catch fire".

From this article:

Engineers determined the fires took place in Bolts with battery cells made at an LG Chem factory in Ochang, South Korea, from May of 2016 to May of 2019.

Some 2019 Bolts and all 2020 and 2021 versions have cells made at an LG Chem plant in Holland, Michigan, and are not included in the recall.

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Electric conversions of classic sports cars, they have Porsche 911 and Ford GT

https://www.everrati.com/

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electric cars are cleaner no matter what

https://www.theverge.com/2021/7/21/2258 ... assessment

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ukimalefu wrote: Fri Jul 16, 2021 9:36 am

Electric conversions of classic sports cars, they have Porsche 911 and Ford GT

https://www.everrati.com/

oh man, those cars are the human waste!!

too bad they cost as much as a damn house

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Mercedes-Benz says it will go all-electric in 2030, but with a major caveat

Mercedes-Benz says it will go all-electric by 2030, but with conditions. The German automaker says it will only sell electric vehicles “where market conditions allow,” implying that Mercedes may still sell gas-powered vehicles after 2030 in countries that lack consumer demand for EVs.

That's not a "major" caveat. That's a "makes sense", "duh", caveat.

I'd say that most people who buy Mercedes can afford electrics and live where there's infrastructure for them, and it'll be better in the 2030s than now. But ok.

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probably just covering their bets on what is an extremely aggressive timeline

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ukimalefu wrote: Fri Jul 23, 2021 6:09 am

That's not a "major" caveat. That's a "makes sense", "duh", caveat.

Yep. It's in line with car makers today that don't sell their whole lineup globally.

Mazda and Kia just killed off their big sedans in the states because crossovers outsell them.

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europe to ramp up battery production

After years of slow progress, there are now plans to invest 40 billion euros ($47 billion) in 38 European factories that could turn out 1,000 gigawatt hours of batteries per year, according to Transport & Environment, a non-governmental organisation.

With average battery capacity of 60 kilowatt hours, that would be enough to power 16.7 million vehicles, according to the group.

One initiative is Sweden's Northvolt, which already has a factory under construction that is to produce batteries with total capacity of 150 gigawatt hours by 2030.

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i.d. buzz will have level 4 autonomy

they envision it for ride-hailing and delivery use (apparently the autonomous version won't be available to consumers)

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Tesla finally made a profit without the help of emission credits

Tesla sold enough cars and energy products to turn a profit even without counting the sale of emissions credits to other automakers — a milestone for the company. This was the eighth profitable quarter in a row for Tesla, but the first where it can truly say it’s a profitable automaker.

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No love for Bolt?

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https://electrek.co/2021/07/20/gm-leave ... last-year/

Yeah, the internet says GAP insurance is a rip-off akin to the "extended warranty" scam, but it would have really helped this guy.

full disclosure: the image is not of the car in the linked article, but it's a lot more dramatic so I used it for attention ;)

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DukeofNuke wrote: Tue Jul 27, 2021 11:36 am

No love for Bolt?

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https://electrek.co/2021/07/20/gm-leave ... last-year/

Yeah, the internet says GAP insurance is a rip-off akin to the "extended warranty" scam, but it would have really helped this guy.

full disclosure: the image is not of the car in the linked article, but it's a lot more dramatic so I used it for attention ;)

oh, i didn't realize you work for cnn

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I can't remember where I read it, but a Tesla fire kept reigniting so the police submerged it in a dumpster of water.

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Lithium fires are no joke. Fire departments had to come up with special procedures for dealing with electric vehicles. There are now special loops in most cars that the fire departments can cut to remove electrical hazards from them as well.

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whoah ... gm might replace the camero with a performance ev

is this going to spark an era of electric muscle cars?

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The sixteen year old kid in me certainly hopes so. Instant torque.

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yeah but dynamo whines are a poor substitute for that v8 roar

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Instant. Torque.

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yeah, i assume there will be some setting that will let you burn rubber like a confused individual

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My inner sixteen year old self demands it!

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Bugger the V8 noise.... I'm down for instant torque.

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Citroën DS EV, 2021 (1971), by Electrogenic. A restomod DS converted to electric power by British company Electrogenic. The car's original 2.0-litre four-cylinder petrol engine is replaced by a ‘Hyper9’ brushless electric motor. A 48.5kWh battery offers a real-world range of approximately 140 miles on every charge. Electrogenic has created a silent electric pump to power the car's hydro-pneumatic suspension.

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sean wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:16 pm

Bugger the V8 noise.... I'm down for instant torque.

Yeah. The science part of me would point out that practically ALL the noise emitted by any ICE car is WASTED ENERGY that does nothing towards the REAL GOAL of moving machinery forward. I suppose that it could take a human generation before the lack of "vroom, vroom" is recognized as a true advancement.

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Video on the converted Citroen DS: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyyHqhAeuF4

Quiet and comfortable, the perfect city car if the parking spaces are big enough.

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