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TOS wrote: Sat Sep 18, 2021 9:09 am

you guys are crazy, those things are going to sell like hotcakes

That's what I said!

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TOS wrote: Sat Sep 18, 2021 9:09 am

you guys are crazy, those things are going to sell like hotcakes

I think none of these electric startups will survive once the big, global car makers get their lines of EV production up and running at full speed. Electric trucks will certainly sell and sell well. I just don't see room in the market for these small "me too" companies.

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Pariah wrote: Sun Sep 19, 2021 11:14 am
TOS wrote: Sat Sep 18, 2021 9:09 am

you guys are crazy, those things are going to sell like hotcakes

I think none of these electric startups will survive once the big, global car makers get their lines of EV production up and running at full speed. Electric trucks will certainly sell and sell well. I just don't see room in the market for these small "me too" companies.

rivian is no mere startup, they've got a couple billion in investment and partnerships from players like amazon and ford ... and amazon has already placed an order for 100,000 delivery vans

they were already in tesla territory before a single truck rolled off the line

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introducing the vision-s ev concept from ... sony

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Isn't that the car that Sony built in order to announce they weren't actually going to build a car?

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anyone else remember international harvester and their scout 4x4? i personally loved 'em

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well it turns out that due to various corporate business dealings, volkswagen, of all companies, now owns the brand name (technically a truck subsidiary of vw merged with the company formed when international harvester went bust in the 80s)

volkswagen sais it's all just speculation, but how cool would an updated electric scout be?

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Ford is recalling the Mustang Mach-E out of concern that the windshield and panoramic roof could leak or, worse, come flying off during a crash or while driving. Nearly 18,000 of the electric SUVs sold to date are at risk of the former, though Ford says only around 13,000 of them run the risk of the roof detaching.

https://www.theverge.com/2021/9/27/2269 ... ecall-roof

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Rivian’s R1T electric pickup truck tested

https://www.theverge.com/transportation ... amp-tested

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On her show last night Rachel Maddow pointed out that even before a single one had been sold, Ford has over 150 K orders for an electric truck. This has already expanded Ford's work force at its current factory by 450 jobs, AND Ford has announced that they plan to build in Kentucky FOUR new factories--one to make more electric trucks and the other three to make batteries for them and other electrics--which could expand its work force by 11 K new jobs over the next few years.

One side benefit of the Ford electric truck is an option(?) that it could be connected to your house's wiring to provide electricity during blackouts.

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The ford electric truck is my favorite truck, if I was ever to get any kind of pickup truck

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ukimalefu wrote: Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:18 am

Ford is recalling the Mustang Mach-E out of concern that the windshield and panoramic roof could leak or, worse, come flying off during a crash or while driving. Nearly 18,000 of the electric SUVs sold to date are at risk of the former, though Ford says only around 13,000 of them run the risk of the roof detaching.

https://www.theverge.com/2021/9/27/2269 ... ecall-roof

This article points out that this recall is for Mach-Es sold in Canada, the problem being that ALL Ford electrics sold in the US are made at the same factory in Mexico.

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rolls-royce teases images of its upcoming electric "spectre" model, slated for release in 2023:

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they also said they'll be all-electric by 2030

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Ugh, the Rivian only comes with the glass roof. Not that I would be in the market for one regardless but I am troubled by the number of glass roof only EVs. Those glass roofs are an absolute deal breaker for me.

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Yeah, I'm sure you'll be sticking with gas when everyone has moved to electric if they all have glass roofs.

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[giggles]

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Why pariah ? Glass roof are no less solid than metal. Also I think there are some that are photochromatic and can be tinted on demand.

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I'm reminded of all those bubble-top "cars of the future" from the '60's futurism magazines like Popular Science.
The air conditioner in those things would have to be ... really big.
Even photo-chromatic or tinted, it's gonna get really hot in there on sunny days.

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Pariah wrote: Wed Sep 29, 2021 10:51 pm

Ugh, the Rivian only comes with the glass roof. Not that I would be in the market for one regardless but I am troubled by the number of glass roof only EVs. Those glass roofs are an absolute deal breaker for me.

I'm in complete agreement. I don't understand the glass roof craze. That said, Rivian have said the R1S/T will be available with other roof options down the road, including a traditional fixed metal roof.

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Pariah does have a point. While the glass roofs in the Tesla line are supposedly rated to withstand FOUR times the weight of the car so they shouldn't break even if one gets overturned, this problem of glass roofs and even windshields is due to them flying off under even normal usage. So that glass might not break, but will they even be there during incidents when a glass-roofed vehicle flips over?

"His truck's roof is in one piece over THERE which helps to explain the driver's extensive injuries from flying debris while his overturned truck ended up HERE."

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If your car, any car, ends up upside down, any injuries are not the car's fault.

Teslas have top crash test scores

https://www.theverge.com/2021/1/12/2222 ... crash-test

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Please note, I'm not a fan of the all glass roof, but I'd still like to have a Tesla.

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ukimalefu wrote: Fri Oct 01, 2021 7:00 am

If your car, any car, ends up upside down, any injuries are not the car's fault.

LOL, where the fiddlesticks did you pick up that little chestnut?
Honestly, 30 years ago I might have had some sympathy to that assertion but cars are built differently now. The wheels are pushed way out into the corners of the car and while there are all kinds of good reasons for pushing the wheels out like that it makes for cars that et flipped over onto their roofs one hell of a lot more than they used to. Low speed collisions that result in a roll over used to be rare as hell, practically nonexistent. But now they are common. I'd bet I have seen more rolled over cars in the last 5 years that in the previous 50 years.
Having the wheels pushed out to the corners means tire to tire contact is going to happen way more often and anyone who has watched open wheel racing know what that means.

That being said, safety is not the reason I won't buy a glass roofed car. The reason is I hate sky roofs. I do not want all that light and openness. I want a nice, 100% opaque metal roof that makes sure the sun is never shining right down on me. If I wanted a convertible I would buy a fiddlesticks convertible.

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I had a car with a sun roof and it was great in the winter. The sunshine would warm the interior even when the temperature was in the 20s outside.

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I am curious to see how the market accepts the Tesla truck and the Rivian truck that have such....er....unusual styling.
The Tesla looks like a live action version of the kind of blocky objects we had in computer games 30 years ago and who ever designed the Rivian has spent way, way, too much time playing Pokemon.

At least the Ford looks like it was designed by grownups.

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The Rivian will do fine. The people that do "truck things" like in the ads with ranchers are like 1% of truck buyers. The majority live in the 'burbs and drive them to the office. They don their flannel shirts on the weekend when they need to pick up top soil from the big box store.

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j_tso wrote: Sat Oct 02, 2021 3:34 pm

The Rivian will do fine. The people that do "truck things" like in the ads with ranchers are like 1% of truck buyers. The majority live in the 'burbs and drive them to the office. They don their flannel shirts on the weekend when they need to pick up top soil from the big box store.

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j_tso wrote: Sat Oct 02, 2021 3:34 pm

The Rivian will do fine. The people that do "truck things" like in the ads with ranchers are like 1% of truck buyers. The majority live in the 'burbs and drive them to the office. They don their flannel shirts on the weekend when they need to pick up top soil from the big box store.

Wait.

Some are sophisticated enough to follow your last sentence?

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Pariah wrote: Sat Oct 02, 2021 12:36 pm

I am curious to see how the market accepts the Tesla truck and the Rivian truck that have such....er....unusual styling.

I quite like the look of the Rivian. It's one of the more "traditional looking" EVs on the market.

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i have to confess something to you all

i have never formed an opinion, positive or negative, on the subject of panoramic sunroofs

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Pagan! The panoramicians demands that you convert immediately !

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Electric vehicle maker Rivian has filed to go public

The company will trade on the Nasdaq under the ticker RIVN

Electric vehicle maker Rivian, backed by Ford and Amazon, filed for an initial public offering on Friday on the Nasdaq exchange. The company filed its IPO confidentially with the Securities and Exchange Commission in August, and it was made public today.

According to the S-1 filed with the SEC, Rivian had a net loss of $994 million on revenue of zero for the first half of 2021. Its net loss for full year 2020 was $1.02 billion, the filing shows.

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that ipo is going to be frigging massive

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sean wrote: Sat Oct 02, 2021 7:43 pm
Pariah wrote: Sat Oct 02, 2021 12:36 pm

I am curious to see how the market accepts the Tesla truck and the Rivian truck that have such....er....unusual styling.

I quite like the look of the Rivian. It's one of the more "traditional looking" EVs on the market.

The Rivian looks perfectly fine from any angle you cannot see the front from.

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Sorry... I have to disagree. I think it looks awesome.

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i disagree

I don't like the front, but it's not the worst

most modern cars these days have ugly faces, I hate the giant grills

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Again, I've never been interested in a pickup truck, but in the looks department, ford wins IMO

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/best ... kup-trucks

But this is the best electric truck

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Simone Giertz made it, and a fake commercial to go with it

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Tesla model X as a pickup mockup

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That was made before Tesla actually announced their truck. There's a lot of designs for it from the time, nobody got it right.

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sean wrote: Tue Oct 05, 2021 4:39 pm

Sorry... I have to disagree. I think it looks awesome.

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Why does it have the handle from an oven door glued to the bumper?

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ukimalefu wrote: Tue Oct 05, 2021 5:33 pm

Tesla model X as a pickup mockup

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That was made before Tesla actually announced their truck. There's a lot of designs for it from the time, nobody got it right.

there's no way the cybertruck, as demoed, is the final design

i simply can't believe that thing is actually going into production

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