Quote:I strip away the old debris, that hides a shining car
A brilliant red Barchetta, from a better, vanished time
Fire up the willing engine, responding with a roar!
Tires spitting gravel, I commit my weekly crime…
ukimalefu posted:One day, somebody will remake Christine with a Tesla.
Self driving car gone haywire? it's obvious they will.
dv posted:ukimalefu posted:One day, somebody will remake Christine with a Tesla.
Self driving car gone haywire? it's obvious they will.
They've done it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stealth_%28film%29
dv posted:ukimalefu posted:One day, somebody will remake Christine with a Tesla.
Self driving car gone haywire? it's obvious they will.
They've done it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stealth_%28film%29
ukimalefu posted:dv posted:ukimalefu posted:One day, somebody will remake Christine with a Tesla.
Self driving car gone haywire? it's obvious they will.
They've done it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stealth_%28film%29
I don't know... that's like saying all monster movies are the same.... they're not
shut up
Ribtor posted:Quote:I strip away the old debris, that hides a shining car
A brilliant red Barchetta, from a better, vanished time
Fire up the willing engine, responding with a roar!
Tires spitting gravel, I commit my weekly crime…
Warin posted:Ribtor posted:Quote:I strip away the old debris, that hides a shining car
A brilliant red Barchetta, from a better, vanished time
Fire up the willing engine, responding with a roar!
Tires spitting gravel, I commit my weekly crime…![]()
Pariah posted:The trouble that EVs are going to face is not technical, it is psychological.
Very, very few people actually need a pickup truck but they are the most popular form factor in the vehicle market.
If the car market was ruled by sensible people rationally choosing vehicles that will fulfill their transportation needs cars like the Honda iQ and Smart would be the most popular.
Then there is what I think of as "the 1% problem". EVs are fine for practically all family driving needs but plenty of families make one or two or maybe three long distance drives to go visit extended family 500 miles away or more. Even though it is a relatively rare trip people will consider that they can't do a 500mi trip in 8 hours in a EV because they will need to stop for a charge which takes easily ten to 20 times longer than refueling an ICE.
Range anxiety is a real thing just like people buy big SUVs and Pickups because 4 times a year they go to Home Depot and buy 6 bags of mulch and want to have room.
I think ICE cars will remain in production along side EVs for a long time.
maurvir posted:I always buy used and the pricing just isn't there for EVs yet.
justine posted:... and is recommended being replaced after 5 years.
Quote:overall, the data offer some basis for confidence that a Tesla Model S will lose—on average—less than 15 percent of its battery capacity over the average 150,000-mile (250,000-km) life of a vehicle.
justine posted:I don't want a vehicle that's going to drain my battery with every accessory i use.
dv posted:justine posted:I don't want a vehicle that's going to drain my battery with every accessory i use.
Accessories in ICE cars use gas. (They're powered off the alternator which generates additional load on the engine.) Same basic idea.
dv posted:maurvir posted:I always buy used and the pricing just isn't there for EVs yet.
blatherskite. Have you seen what used Leafs are going for now?
maurvir posted:dv posted:maurvir posted:I always buy used and the pricing just isn't there for EVs yet.
blatherskite. Have you seen what used Leafs are going for now?
To be honest, no. I hadn't really considered Nissan at all.
I have a hybrid, which has two batteries: a small one, like a gas car; and a big one, like an electric car.justine posted:Thanks, i'll pass. New batteries, at least for Teslas, run upwards of $20k, and is recommended being replaced after 5 years. A coworker just bought one. I don't want a vehicle that's going to drain my battery with every accessory i use.
ukimalefu posted:Let's say the battery will last X years and the replacement will cost X dollars.
How much would you have expended on gas over that period? oh, wait, you also don't need to replace oil and spark plugs and filters and what not on the electric.
And that's ignoring the benefit to the environment that improves the life of every living thing.
Somebody on the internet must have done that math.
juice posted:ukimalefu posted:Let's say the battery will last X years and the replacement will cost X dollars.
How much would you have expended on gas over that period? oh, wait, you also don't need to replace oil and spark plugs and filters and what not on the electric.
And that's ignoring the benefit to the environment that improves the life of every living thing.
Somebody on the internet must have done that math.
The calculation isn't quite that clean as you have to consider the electricity being generated to recharge the battery. That method varies by locale, but in my area coal is still a significant portion.
dv posted:justine posted:... and is recommended being replaced after 5 years.
Recommended by who, the National Petroleum Council?
https://www.greencarreports.com/news/11 ... how-so-farQuote:overall, the data offer some basis for confidence that a Tesla Model S will lose—on average—less than 15 percent of its battery capacity over the average 150,000-mile (250,000-km) life of a vehicle.
Also, you can extend battery life by not driving like a maniac and not using fast chargers.justine posted:I don't want a vehicle that's going to drain my battery with every accessory i use.
Accessories in ICE cars use gas. (They're powered off the alternator which generates additional load on the engine.) Same basic idea: more toys = less range.
justine posted:I don't know what that means, but as far as Teslas go, they use the battery.
justine posted:dv posted:justine posted:... and is recommended being replaced after 5 years.
Recommended by who, the National Petroleum Council?
https://www.greencarreports.com/news/11 ... how-so-farQuote:overall, the data offer some basis for confidence that a Tesla Model S will lose—on average—less than 15 percent of its battery capacity over the average 150,000-mile (250,000-km) life of a vehicle.
Also, you can extend battery life by not driving like a maniac and not using fast chargers.justine posted:I don't want a vehicle that's going to drain my battery with every accessory i use.
Accessories in ICE cars use gas. (They're powered off the alternator which generates additional load on the engine.) Same basic idea: more toys = less range.
I don't know what that means, but as far as Teslas go, they use the battery.
justine posted:TOS my Tesla knowledge is limited to the coworker that just bought one about a month ago. It's a Model 3 that has 2 batteries or 2 engines. Some human waste like that. It isn't top of the line but i think it's close. `He also paid a lot more for the Model 3 than i thought they cost.
Betonhaus posted:Ford is making an electric truck. I suspect It will have the horsepower but not the range
TOS posted:justine posted:TOS my Tesla knowledge is limited to the coworker that just bought one about a month ago. It's a Model 3 that has 2 batteries or 2 engines. Some human waste like that. It isn't top of the line but i think it's close. `He also paid a lot more for the Model 3 than i thought they cost.
they're still a bit pricey, but the price will drop steadily
and a bit of research discovered that a tesla battery pack will still hold 80%-85% of its charge after 100,000 miles ... on average that's around 7 years, which happens to be the average length of time an american owns a car
so ... basically it's fine
Pariah posted:TOS posted:justine posted:TOS my Tesla knowledge is limited to the coworker that just bought one about a month ago. It's a Model 3 that has 2 batteries or 2 engines. Some human waste like that. It isn't top of the line but i think it's close. `He also paid a lot more for the Model 3 than i thought they cost.
they're still a bit pricey, but the price will drop steadily
and a bit of research discovered that a tesla battery pack will still hold 80%-85% of its charge after 100,000 miles ... on average that's around 7 years, which happens to be the average length of time an american owns a car
so ... basically it's fine
Ya, but that is only part of the story, while the initial buyer might trade a car in at 7 years the average age of cars on the road right now is just over 11 years. Cars used to have an average lifespan of 7 years but that was 20 years ago.
My Mazda is 13yo and drives like it is still new and we just retired our Ford at 20 years old. If Teslas last 7 years that puts them at the bottom of the durability scale relative to other cars.
Pariah posted:TOS posted:justine posted:TOS my Tesla knowledge is limited to the coworker that just bought one about a month ago. It's a Model 3 that has 2 batteries or 2 engines. Some human waste like that. It isn't top of the line but i think it's close. `He also paid a lot more for the Model 3 than i thought they cost.
they're still a bit pricey, but the price will drop steadily
and a bit of research discovered that a tesla battery pack will still hold 80%-85% of its charge after 100,000 miles ... on average that's around 7 years, which happens to be the average length of time an american owns a car
so ... basically it's fine
Ya, but that is only part of the story, while the initial buyer might trade a car in at 7 years the average age of cars on the road right now is just over 11 years. Cars used to have an average lifespan of 7 years but that was 20 years ago.
My Mazda is 13yo and drives like it is still new and we just retired our Ford at 20 years old. If Teslas last 7 years that puts them at the bottom of the durability scale relative to other cars.
dv posted:
IMO the "infotainment" gadgets and increasing reliance on computerized blatherskite will do as much as or more than EV batteries to force obsolescence on new vehicles. Some day we will regard 1995-2005 as a golden age for reliable, repairable cars, while we're scrapping our completely "useless" 10 year old EVs.