I was at a client's house a number of years ago and he had a piece of black felt (the kind you can get from any fabric shop) that was 1 square meter hung on his wall with safety pins. That piece of "art" cost him over $4,000.
Form him it was art, because he believed the story the artist told him, and what that piece of art represented, and he was happy paying the price for that art.
to me, it was just $2 piece of fabric pinned to a wall.
Art is in the story, if you like the story then you may like the art.
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ukimalefu wrote:Kirk wrote: Art requires some cleverness to get a point or points across. That's just random damage from shipping.
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That's like saying Jackson Pollack isn't art because it's just random dripping. Sorry if you don't think it's art, but that doesn't make it not art.
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Farmerkev wrote:dv wrote: Who's Jesse White?
IL Sec of State
That's our dmv where you take drivers tests and get license stickers, title transfer etc
That's silly - you have to change the sign every election.
I figured it was like the "Jesse White Memorial DMV" or something, but they ran out of room for letters.
dv wrote:Farmerkev wrote:dv wrote: Who's Jesse White?
IL Sec of State
That's our dmv where you take drivers tests and get license stickers, title transfer etc
That's silly - you have to change the sign every election.
I figured it was like the "Jesse White Memorial DMV" or something, but they ran out of room for letters.
Welcome to Illinois.
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Pithecanthropus wrote:ukimalefu wrote:Kirk wrote: Art requires some cleverness to get a point or points across. That's just random damage from shipping.
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That's like saying Jackson Pollack isn't art because it's just random dripping. Sorry if you don't think it's art, but that doesn't make it not art.
sorry, if it doesn't employ cleverness to get a point across it's just not art
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Remembering the late William Peter Blatty with this.
TOS wrote:Pithecanthropus wrote:ukimalefu wrote:Kirk wrote: Art requires some cleverness to get a point or points across. That's just random damage from shipping.
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That's like saying Jackson Pollack isn't art because it's just random dripping. Sorry if you don't think it's art, but that doesn't make it not art.
sorry, if it doesn't employ cleverness to get a point across it's just not art
I disagree art can, but does not have to get any point across or mean anything. It also doesn't need to be "pretty" or be hard to make, or be liked by anybody.
But that's just my opinion, because the only thing art absolutely is, is stick fiddling subjective.
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TOS wrote:Pithecanthropus wrote:ukimalefu wrote:Kirk wrote: Art requires some cleverness to get a point or points across. That's just random damage from shipping.
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That's like saying Jackson Pollack isn't art because it's just random dripping. Sorry if you don't think it's art, but that doesn't make it not art.
sorry, if it doesn't employ cleverness to get a point across it's just not art
Your vision is too narrow.
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What artistic tradition is the art coming from? I don't know much about the visual arts, but, Like, if you're a literary modernist, you're going out of your to use symbolism and stuff to try to convey your intended meaning. If you're a post-modernist, you write your story however you want and let the reader do with it what they will. Lots of art (not all of it) just needs some context to enable people to make sense of it.
Pithecanthropus wrote:TOS wrote:Pithecanthropus wrote:ukimalefu wrote:Kirk wrote: Art requires some cleverness to get a point or points across. That's just random damage from shipping.
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That's like saying Jackson Pollack isn't art because it's just random dripping. Sorry if you don't think it's art, but that doesn't make it not art.
sorry, if it doesn't employ cleverness to get a point across it's just not art
Your vision is too narrow.
apologies ... i was being utterly sarcastic, that definition is unbelievably wrong
as an artist i can only shake my head in pity for anyone who thinks that way
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Kirk wrote: Jackson Pollack used dripping to paint a picture. He applied the drips in a pattern to evoke images or emotion as intended. That 'control' of the medium makes it art.
Flicking a brush around to make vomit-like projectile stains is not 'control' anymore than letting FedEx break your glass. They both are allowing randomness into the design.
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dv wrote:Farmerkev wrote:dv wrote: Who's Jesse White?
IL Sec of State
That's our dmv where you take drivers tests and get license stickers, title transfer etc
That's silly - you have to change the sign every election.
I figured it was like the "Jesse White Memorial DMV" or something, but they ran out of room for letters.
He's been Sec of State since 1998.
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TOS wrote:Pithecanthropus wrote:TOS wrote:Pithecanthropus wrote:ukimalefu wrote:Kirk wrote: Art requires some cleverness to get a point or points across. That's just random damage from shipping.
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That's like saying Jackson Pollack isn't art because it's just random dripping. Sorry if you don't think it's art, but that doesn't make it not art.
sorry, if it doesn't employ cleverness to get a point across it's just not art
Your vision is too narrow.
apologies ... i was being utterly sarcastic, that definition is unbelievably wrong
as an artist i can only shake my head in pity for anyone who thinks that way
This discussion reminds of the federal judge's definition of porn. "...I know it when I see it."
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it's a whole ton of drones that use distributed computing, sharing processing; they can easily adapt to losing or gaining individual drones and can decide on the best way to carry out their mission
it's a whole ton of drones that use distributed computing, sharing processing; they can easily adapt to losing or gaining individual drones and can decide on the best way to carry out their mission
"TOS ain’t havin no horserace round here. “Policies” is the coin of the realm." -- iDaemon
TOS wrote: freaky deaky pentagon "drone swarm" exercise
it's a whole ton of drones that use distributed computing, sharing processing; they can easily adapt to losing or gaining individual drones and can decide on the best way to carry out their mission
Quick, somebody make a random chick's house fly and crank up the Beastie Boys.
TOS wrote:Pithecanthropus wrote:TOS wrote:Pithecanthropus wrote:ukimalefu wrote:Kirk wrote: Art requires some cleverness to get a point or points across. That's just random damage from shipping.
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That's like saying Jackson Pollack isn't art because it's just random dripping. Sorry if you don't think it's art, but that doesn't make it not art.
sorry, if it doesn't employ cleverness to get a point across it's just not art
Your vision is too narrow.
apologies ... i was being utterly sarcastic, that definition is unbelievably wrong
as an artist i can only shake my head in pity for anyone who thinks that way
You're an artist?
Long ago, I made this in, what I like to think as, a Pollock kind of way. I threw things at it until... it "spoke to me", know what I mean? Some of the things I threw at it are deliberate, some are random.
Sometimes I do that for a while, but I don't always get a result I like. And I rarely show those things to anybody.
Don't call me an artist. I wouldn't dare calling myself that. The most I'd say is, look at this thing I made.
Sometimes I do that for a while, but I don't always get a result I like. And I rarely show those things to anybody.
Don't call me an artist. I wouldn't dare calling myself that. The most I'd say is, look at this thing I made.
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ukimalefu wrote: Long ago, I made this in, what I like to think as, a Pollock kind of way. I threw things at it until... it "spoke to me", know what I mean? Some of the things I threw at it are deliberate, some are random.
Sometimes I do that for a while, but I don't always get a result I like. And I rarely show those things to anybody.
Don't call me an artist. I wouldn't dare calling myself that. The most I'd say is, look at this thing I made.
That's about 1000x more interesting than any Jackson Pollock. But so is TV snow (which is hard to find nowadays...it's the signal from the background radiation of the Big Bang...and it does have patterns in it).
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Metacell wrote:Kirk wrote: Jackson Pollack used dripping to paint a picture. He applied the drips in a pattern to evoke images or emotion as intended. That 'control' of the medium makes it art.
Flicking a brush around to make vomit-like projectile stains is not 'control' anymore than letting FedEx break your glass. They both are allowing randomness into the design.
...allowing randomness...
There you go. It is an artifice, we can shorten to "art".
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