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DEyncourt posted wrote: I should point out something about those yearly plans that didn't quite make sense to me when I first read it. In the notation about the various plans, CBS pointed out that by signing up for a year "you get two months free" (or technically for 9 cents). I suppose that all FUTURE years will not have that discount so whether or not you sign up on the monthly plans or the yearly plans, so for the latter essentially you will save 2 month's fees only for that FIRST year.

Once you sign up for automatic deduction, you forget about it and only remember to check when your card is declined for that $4 cup of coffee ... :eek:
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DukeofNuke posted wrote:
DEyncourt posted wrote: I should point out something about those yearly plans that didn't quite make sense to me when I first read it. In the notation about the various plans, CBS pointed out that by signing up for a year "you get two months free" (or technically for 9 cents). I suppose that all FUTURE years will not have that discount so whether or not you sign up on the monthly plans or the yearly plans, so for the latter essentially you will save 2 month's fees only for that FIRST year.

Once you sign up for automatic deduction, you forget about it and only remember to check when your card is declined for that $4 cup of coffee ... :eek:

"Easy for me to say," maybe, but it would be a good idea to pay attention and not get your credit cards <$4 from the limit for any length of time.
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DEyncourt posted wrote:applying a Vulcan nerve pinch to her captain (both of whom are human though Burnham was raised from a young child on Vulcan by Spock's father Sarek)? I thought that was a RACIAL characteristic and not something that ANYONE could learn to do, otherwise shouldn't that training be galaxy-wide for ANY species who encountered the Vulcans? Even if the nerve pinch can be applied only on humans because we all know how INVASIVE they can be.


Both Data and McCoy have done it, and it's not limited to affecting humans. It's just very difficult.
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The level of reference to the rest of the Star Trek universe is incredibly encouraging. This is Star Trek written by devoted fans.
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DEyncourt posted wrote:
user posted wrote: Doubt it'll be worth an extra $6 a month to see it. I hate this trend of networks hosting their own streaming services. It'll just dilute the market.

At the CBS.com site there are three options for the CBS All Access app:

1) free but commercial-filled. Presumably this will act like most such apps/programs that I have encountered and these commercials cannot be skipped over in any way. AND it appears that this free version MUST be re-downloaded every month because at the end of the free month you will have to select between the options below.

2) $5.99/month OR $59.99/year for "limited commercials". Also presumably like the above in that these commercials likewise cannot be skipped, but instead of a set of commercials per break there will be only one commercial per break perhaps for an episode or a series sponsor.

3) $9.99/month OR $99.99/year for commercial-free (of course dependent upon CBS' idea of whatever THAT means because they are likely to show promotions for other CBS programs since these are considered NOT "commercials" [most TV networks actually use this definition]).


I only see the last two options. I'd love an on-demand commercials version, but the only thing free is the trial.

So they aren't even showing it on broadcast?
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Netflix has set the bar, with their all-at-once season release of commercial free shows.
It suks for us that we are the ones that will have to live thru this business-model shake out.
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user posted wrote:
DEyncourt posted wrote:
user posted wrote: Doubt it'll be worth an extra $6 a month to see it. I hate this trend of networks hosting their own streaming services. It'll just dilute the market.

At the CBS.com site there are three options for the CBS All Access app:

1) free but commercial-filled. Presumably this will act like most such apps/programs that I have encountered and these commercials cannot be skipped over in any way. AND it appears that this free version MUST be re-downloaded every month because at the end of the free month you will have to select between the options below.

2) $5.99/month OR $59.99/year for "limited commercials". Also presumably like the above in that these commercials likewise cannot be skipped, but instead of a set of commercials per break there will be only one commercial per break perhaps for an episode or a series sponsor.

3) $9.99/month OR $99.99/year for commercial-free (of course dependent upon CBS' idea of whatever THAT means because they are likely to show promotions for other CBS programs since these are considered NOT "commercials" [most TV networks actually use this definition]).


I only see the last two options. I'd love an on-demand commercials version, but the only thing free is the trial.

So they aren't even showing it on broadcast?

I just got done watching the first two eps. I was just surfing along and....thud, both files fell off the internet and onto one of my HDDs.
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When are these nozzles going to realize that they suck as individual "content providers" and team up with someone like Netflix or Amazon for digital delivery?

I guess the dream of being their own HBO is too tantalizing...
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user posted wrote:
DEyncourt posted wrote:
user posted wrote: Doubt it'll be worth an extra $6 a month to see it. I hate this trend of networks hosting their own streaming services. It'll just dilute the market.

At the CBS.com site there are three options for the CBS All Access app:

1) free but commercial-filled. Presumably this will act like most such apps/programs that I have encountered and these commercials cannot be skipped over in any way. AND it appears that this free version MUST be re-downloaded every month because at the end of the free month you will have to select between the options below.

2) $5.99/month OR $59.99/year for "limited commercials". Also presumably like the above in that these commercials likewise cannot be skipped, but instead of a set of commercials per break there will be only one commercial per break perhaps for an episode or a series sponsor.

3) $9.99/month OR $99.99/year for commercial-free (of course dependent upon CBS' idea of whatever THAT means because they are likely to show promotions for other CBS programs since these are considered NOT "commercials" [most TV networks actually use this definition]).


I only see the last two options. I'd love an on-demand commercials version, but the only thing free is the trial.

So they aren't even showing it on broadcast?

Nope. What you saw is the only broadcast you will see unless CBS changes its mind.

Like I wrote: it appears that free version will also depend upon on how diligent CBS will be in recording who had previously downloaded their All Access app. It may be that they will not care realizing that all viewers of the free version will be forced to go through (though not necessarily WATCH) the commercials, or that they may take the attitude of "sorry, not for YOU" if you download the app another time. I do not know, not having "experienced" their app yet.
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If they are jerks about it, there are always torrents or other means. Hopefully they won't be quite *that* stupid.
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DEyncourt posted wrote:
user posted wrote:
DEyncourt posted wrote:
user posted wrote: Doubt it'll be worth an extra $6 a month to see it. I hate this trend of networks hosting their own streaming services. It'll just dilute the market.

At the CBS.com site there are three options for the CBS All Access app:

1) free but commercial-filled. Presumably this will act like most such apps/programs that I have encountered and these commercials cannot be skipped over in any way. AND it appears that this free version MUST be re-downloaded every month because at the end of the free month you will have to select between the options below.

2) $5.99/month OR $59.99/year for "limited commercials". Also presumably like the above in that these commercials likewise cannot be skipped, but instead of a set of commercials per break there will be only one commercial per break perhaps for an episode or a series sponsor.

3) $9.99/month OR $99.99/year for commercial-free (of course dependent upon CBS' idea of whatever THAT means because they are likely to show promotions for other CBS programs since these are considered NOT "commercials" [most TV networks actually use this definition]).


I only see the last two options. I'd love an on-demand commercials version, but the only thing free is the trial.

So they aren't even showing it on broadcast?

Nope. What you saw is the only broadcast you will see unless CBS changes its mind.

Like I wrote: it appears that free version will also depend upon on how diligent CBS will be in recording who had previously downloaded their All Access app. It may be that they will not care realizing that all viewers of the free version will be forced to go through (though not necessarily WATCH) the commercials, or that they may take the attitude of "sorry, not for YOU" if you download the app another time. I do not know, not having "experienced" their app yet.
Oh, I see, you were acting like that was an official option with your post structure.

No, they most certainly keep up with how often you apply through the free app. There's no way to game the system there without using a different ISP/VPN. A limited option at most.
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user posted wrote:
DEyncourt posted wrote:
user posted wrote:
DEyncourt posted wrote:
user posted wrote: Doubt it'll be worth an extra $6 a month to see it. I hate this trend of networks hosting their own streaming services. It'll just dilute the market.

At the CBS.com site there are three options for the CBS All Access app:

1) free but commercial-filled. Presumably this will act like most such apps/programs that I have encountered and these commercials cannot be skipped over in any way. AND it appears that this free version MUST be re-downloaded every month because at the end of the free month you will have to select between the options below.

2) $5.99/month OR $59.99/year for "limited commercials". Also presumably like the above in that these commercials likewise cannot be skipped, but instead of a set of commercials per break there will be only one commercial per break perhaps for an episode or a series sponsor.

3) $9.99/month OR $99.99/year for commercial-free (of course dependent upon CBS' idea of whatever THAT means because they are likely to show promotions for other CBS programs since these are considered NOT "commercials" [most TV networks actually use this definition]).


I only see the last two options. I'd love an on-demand commercials version, but the only thing free is the trial.

So they aren't even showing it on broadcast?

Nope. What you saw is the only broadcast you will see unless CBS changes its mind.

Like I wrote: it appears that free version will also depend upon on how diligent CBS will be in recording who had previously downloaded their All Access app. It may be that they will not care realizing that all viewers of the free version will be forced to go through (though not necessarily WATCH) the commercials, or that they may take the attitude of "sorry, not for YOU" if you download the app another time. I do not know, not having "experienced" their app yet.
Oh, I see, you were acting like that was an official option with your post structure.

No, they most certainly keep up with how often you apply through the free app. There's no way to game the system there without using a different ISP/VPN. A limited option at most.

Sure, it should be easy for CBS to keep those records but it also would be rather counterproductive. Let's say that I for one viewer try out their app then decide that it wasn't worth upgrading to either paid version. But isn't as if CBS isn't bringing out completely new programming all the time as shows fail so maybe even the very next month there is something ELSE that attracts me: are they really going to say "not for YOU"?
I know, I know, this calls on TV programming people to act sensibly too. :shrug:
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As for the show:
I am cautiously optimistic. I liked the new Klingon look altho they look awfully similar to the lizard based Zindi and the uniforms they wore.
The overall look was pretty nice but the title sequence is uninspiring.
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jkahless posted wrote:
DEyncourt posted wrote:applying a Vulcan nerve pinch to her captain (both of whom are human though Burnham was raised from a young child on Vulcan by Spock's father Sarek)? I thought that was a RACIAL characteristic and not something that ANYONE could learn to do, otherwise shouldn't that training be galaxy-wide for ANY species who encountered the Vulcans? Even if the nerve pinch can be applied only on humans because we all know how INVASIVE they can be.


Both Data and McCoy have done it, and it's not limited to affecting humans. It's just very difficult.

Even if EXTREMELY difficult to perform, wouldn't it be in the interest of EVERY sentient species to have as many of their space-going populations OVERALL learn the Vulcan nerve pinch?

Oh well, even in TOS the nerve pinch was just a convenient means--requiring no expensive visual special effects like a phaser on stun--for writers to advance a story (just like in Discovery).
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DEyncourt posted wrote:
user posted wrote:
DEyncourt posted wrote:
user posted wrote:
DEyncourt posted wrote:
user posted wrote: Doubt it'll be worth an extra $6 a month to see it. I hate this trend of networks hosting their own streaming services. It'll just dilute the market.

At the CBS.com site there are three options for the CBS All Access app:

1) free but commercial-filled. Presumably this will act like most such apps/programs that I have encountered and these commercials cannot be skipped over in any way. AND it appears that this free version MUST be re-downloaded every month because at the end of the free month you will have to select between the options below.

2) $5.99/month OR $59.99/year for "limited commercials". Also presumably like the above in that these commercials likewise cannot be skipped, but instead of a set of commercials per break there will be only one commercial per break perhaps for an episode or a series sponsor.

3) $9.99/month OR $99.99/year for commercial-free (of course dependent upon CBS' idea of whatever THAT means because they are likely to show promotions for other CBS programs since these are considered NOT "commercials" [most TV networks actually use this definition]).


I only see the last two options. I'd love an on-demand commercials version, but the only thing free is the trial.

So they aren't even showing it on broadcast?

Nope. What you saw is the only broadcast you will see unless CBS changes its mind.

Like I wrote: it appears that free version will also depend upon on how diligent CBS will be in recording who had previously downloaded their All Access app. It may be that they will not care realizing that all viewers of the free version will be forced to go through (though not necessarily WATCH) the commercials, or that they may take the attitude of "sorry, not for YOU" if you download the app another time. I do not know, not having "experienced" their app yet.
Oh, I see, you were acting like that was an official option with your post structure.

No, they most certainly keep up with how often you apply through the free app. There's no way to game the system there without using a different ISP/VPN. A limited option at most.

Sure, it should be easy for CBS to keep those records but it also would be rather counterproductive. Let's say that I for one viewer try out their app then decide that it wasn't worth upgrading to either paid version. But isn't as if CBS isn't bringing out completely new programming all the time as shows fail so maybe even the very next month there is something ELSE that attracts me: are they really going to say "not for YOU"?
I know, I know, this calls on TV programming people to act sensibly too. :shrug:

No no no

They know when you've taken advantage of the free week and they WILL block you successfully if you try again.
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user posted wrote:
DEyncourt posted wrote:
user posted wrote:
DEyncourt posted wrote:
user posted wrote:
DEyncourt posted wrote:
user posted wrote: Doubt it'll be worth an extra $6 a month to see it. I hate this trend of networks hosting their own streaming services. It'll just dilute the market.

At the CBS.com site there are three options for the CBS All Access app:

1) free but commercial-filled. Presumably this will act like most such apps/programs that I have encountered and these commercials cannot be skipped over in any way. AND it appears that this free version MUST be re-downloaded every month because at the end of the free month you will have to select between the options below.

2) $5.99/month OR $59.99/year for "limited commercials". Also presumably like the above in that these commercials likewise cannot be skipped, but instead of a set of commercials per break there will be only one commercial per break perhaps for an episode or a series sponsor.

3) $9.99/month OR $99.99/year for commercial-free (of course dependent upon CBS' idea of whatever THAT means because they are likely to show promotions for other CBS programs since these are considered NOT "commercials" [most TV networks actually use this definition]).


I only see the last two options. I'd love an on-demand commercials version, but the only thing free is the trial.

So they aren't even showing it on broadcast?

Nope. What you saw is the only broadcast you will see unless CBS changes its mind.

Like I wrote: it appears that free version will also depend upon on how diligent CBS will be in recording who had previously downloaded their All Access app. It may be that they will not care realizing that all viewers of the free version will be forced to go through (though not necessarily WATCH) the commercials, or that they may take the attitude of "sorry, not for YOU" if you download the app another time. I do not know, not having "experienced" their app yet.
Oh, I see, you were acting like that was an official option with your post structure.

No, they most certainly keep up with how often you apply through the free app. There's no way to game the system there without using a different ISP/VPN. A limited option at most.

Sure, it should be easy for CBS to keep those records but it also would be rather counterproductive. Let's say that I for one viewer try out their app then decide that it wasn't worth upgrading to either paid version. But isn't as if CBS isn't bringing out completely new programming all the time as shows fail so maybe even the very next month there is something ELSE that attracts me: are they really going to say "not for YOU"?
I know, I know, this calls on TV programming people to act sensibly too. :shrug:

No no no

They know when you've taken advantage of the free week and they WILL block you successfully if you try again.

Sure but that is purely the thinking for a TV programming executive.

How about the producers for that NEW and DIFFERENT show that had just been released? Wouldn't they want to get their chance to attract an audience except for having that exec with such veto power?
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DEyncourt posted wrote:
jkahless posted wrote:
DEyncourt posted wrote:applying a Vulcan nerve pinch to her captain (both of whom are human though Burnham was raised from a young child on Vulcan by Spock's father Sarek)? I thought that was a RACIAL characteristic and not something that ANYONE could learn to do, otherwise shouldn't that training be galaxy-wide for ANY species who encountered the Vulcans? Even if the nerve pinch can be applied only on humans because we all know how INVASIVE they can be.


Both Data and McCoy have done it, and it's not limited to affecting humans. It's just very difficult.

Even if EXTREMELY difficult to perform, wouldn't it be in the interest of EVERY sentient species to have as many of their space-going populations OVERALL learn the Vulcan nerve pinch?

Oh well, even in TOS the nerve pinch was just a convenient means--requiring no expensive visual special effects like a phaser on stun--for writers to advance a story (just like in Discovery).


I seem to recall Spock being impressed that Data could do it. And he's a stick fiddling android. :lol: When you have reliable stun settings on the weapons of races who care about non lethality, learning it would be a waste of resources for most. The Vulcans probably only maintain its use because of their emphasis on non violence in the shadow of their extreme violent impulses.
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jkahless posted wrote:
DEyncourt posted wrote:
jkahless posted wrote:
DEyncourt posted wrote:applying a Vulcan nerve pinch to her captain (both of whom are human though Burnham was raised from a young child on Vulcan by Spock's father Sarek)? I thought that was a RACIAL characteristic and not something that ANYONE could learn to do, otherwise shouldn't that training be galaxy-wide for ANY species who encountered the Vulcans? Even if the nerve pinch can be applied only on humans because we all know how INVASIVE they can be.


Both Data and McCoy have done it, and it's not limited to affecting humans. It's just very difficult.

Even if EXTREMELY difficult to perform, wouldn't it be in the interest of EVERY sentient species to have as many of their space-going populations OVERALL learn the Vulcan nerve pinch?

Oh well, even in TOS the nerve pinch was just a convenient means--requiring no expensive visual special effects like a phaser on stun--for writers to advance a story (just like in Discovery).


I seem to recall Spock being impressed that Data could do it. And he's a stick fiddling android. :lol: When you have reliable stun settings on the weapons of races who care about non lethality, learning it would be a waste of resources for most. The Vulcans probably only maintain its use because of their emphasis on non violence in the shadow of their extreme violent impulses.

:shrug: Even non-lethal weapons can be taken away. And what would be wasteful about learning a technique that only requires humanoid hands and (perhaps) extensive medical knowledge?
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watched the new Star Trek last night.

streamed from Kodi.
excellent sound.
1080 HD picture.
zero commercials.

I liked it.
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macnuke posted wrote: watched the new Star Trek last night.

streamed from Kodi.
excellent sound.
1080 HD picture.
zero commercials.

I liked it.

So I will ask: was that deal from Kodi such it included CBS All Access programming, apparently the commercial-free version? Or in some way the other way around? And what else does that package from Kodi include? A link will do if you don't care to type in everything.
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Kodi is a recording application for your computer.
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I have an Amazon Fire box.. not the stick.
I went and downloaded Kodi.
it is free.
then i launched kodi.. went to TV shows... Star Trek and presto. there it was.

and no.. i did not pay anything. it's free.
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user posted wrote: Kodi is a recording application for your computer.

not for the Fire box.

it's a streaming service.
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macnuke posted wrote: watched the new Star Trek last night.

streamed from Kodi.
excellent sound.
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zero commercials.

I liked it.

episode 2 too?
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macnuke posted wrote:
user posted wrote: Kodi is a recording application for your computer.

not for the Fire box.

it's a streaming service.


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Saw it, liked it, I'm very happy

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holee fiddlesticks, that was good.

Sorry CBS, not paying for it though. Stop trying to make CBS All Access happen.
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I'd like to watch but I'm not signing up for a streaming service to do it.
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chikie posted wrote: holee fiddlesticks, that was good.

Sorry CBS, not paying for it though. Stop trying to make CBS All Access happen.


Yeah, I'm not sure why it is so hard for these guys to contract with Netflix or some other streaming service rather than asking everyone to shell out for a dozen separate "streaming services". My entertainment dollar doesn't stretch that far.
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The biggest punch in the gut is its available on Netflix outside the US.
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chikie posted wrote: The biggest punch in the gut is its available on Netflix outside the US.


If All Access flops like I expect it to, it will be in the US eventually as well.
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I don't know if it will, while it's getting widely torrented, so does GoT. I think the problem CBS will run into is not having programming to justify paying for subscriptions when new episodes of ST aren't airing.
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chikie posted wrote: I don't know if it will, while it's getting widely torrented, so does GoT. I think the problem CBS will run into is not having programming to justify paying for subscriptions when new episodes of ST aren't airing.


HBO is a totally different animal than CBS. For one, they have been a subscription only service from the beginning and have a ton of compelling content, all without worrying about network censorship. HBO can afford to stick to their guns. CBS? Not so much. I could be wrong, though. It wouldn't be the first time a company has stuck with doing it the stupid way. (I'm looking at you Nintendo...)
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juice posted wrote: I'd like to watch but I'm not signing up for a streaming service to do it.


I agree :shifty:

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On a related note, I saw complains that subscribers got A LOT of ads. Oh, but don't worry, there's an option to pay more to get less ads, and apparently no (paid) way to get zero ads.
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Question; What is available on All Access that is not available over the air, besides STD ?
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DukeofNuke posted wrote:
macnuke posted wrote: watched the new Star Trek last night.

streamed from Kodi.
excellent sound.
1080 HD picture.
zero commercials.

I liked it.

episode 2 too?


I watched them back to back.
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Hmmm ...

is Kodi on Roku?
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DukeofNuke posted wrote: Question; What is available on All Access that is not available over the air, besides STD ?

There is an official "After Trek" discussion series and a ton of past shows, but there appears to be only The Good Fight which takes up the story of some of the key though peripheral characters from The Good Wife.
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