Ribtor posted:Charlie's Angels (1976-1981) I just started it. Never seen it before. Horrific, but fun.
Jill's driving around in a Cobra II, Sabrina's got a Pinto and Kelly drives around in some boat which I can't identify.
So far there's Tom Selleck without a moustrache and a young Kim Basinger. I don't know if I can make it through season one before I head overseas again.
I'm not seeing much in the way of "jiggle", though.
i still remember a scene where farrah was playing tennis without a bra ... no plot, no dialogue, just her playing tennis and jiggling merrily
unfortunately it doesn't seem to be on youtube, but there is a bit of wackiness
I don't think any of them are wearing bras.
Kelly usually drives around in a beige 76 Mustang II Ghia Coupe but it often gets wrecked or blown up so she has to settle for a rental.
Snub-nosed revolvers seemed to be all the rage.
I think the men's fashions were even worse than the women's.
here's Kelly just before her car blows up.
Kelly usually drives around in a beige 76 Mustang II Ghia Coupe but it often gets wrecked or blown up so she has to settle for a rental.
Snub-nosed revolvers seemed to be all the rage.
I think the men's fashions were even worse than the women's.
here's Kelly just before her car blows up.
WAIT! Those Charlie's Angels characters HAD names???
While I was in perhaps its primary demographic--college-aged male--at the start of the show's run, I have yet to see a single episode.
While I was in perhaps its primary demographic--college-aged male--at the start of the show's run, I have yet to see a single episode.
DEyncourt posted:WAIT! Those Charlie's Angels characters HAD names???
While I was in perhaps its primary demographic--college-aged male--at the start of the show's run, I have yet to see a single episode.
That show was made for 7 year olds. I loved it when I was 7. I never watched it ever again the day I became a man at 8. I still watched Three's Company though.
user posted:bras were out of style
nice time to be a sausage
it was a great time to be alive
Castlevania
animated series, based on the video game (that I never played)
NOT for children. Seriously. And no, I haven't seen any nudity, but there's this guy in a bar talking about somebody stick fiddling a goat. Also, graphic violence and gore.
2 episodes in, looks good, will watch more.
animated series, based on the video game (that I never played)
NOT for children. Seriously. And no, I haven't seen any nudity, but there's this guy in a bar talking about somebody stick fiddling a goat. Also, graphic violence and gore.
2 episodes in, looks good, will watch more.
Star Trek: Deep Space Nine.
I had already seen it, sure, but I decided to watch it again, and it's amazing how some of the things they say relate to the world today.
I had already seen it, sure, but I decided to watch it again, and it's amazing how some of the things they say relate to the world today.
obvs posted:Star Trek: Deep Space Nine.
I had already seen it, sure, but I decided to watch it again, and it's amazing how some of the things they say relate to the world today.
Well, isn't it sort of modeled off the Israel/Palestine conflict?
So who are the spoonheads?
The Orville (2017).
TL;DR: I like this. A lot.
I WAS kinda expecting NOT to like this, if anything to be a bit disappointed. I like SOME of Seth MacFarlane's HUMOR but practically all of his TV and movie stuff has left me a bit wanting. This is an exception to that.
The series is set in a Star Trek:TNG-like universe but with no transporters (I guess current CGI has drastically reduced the cost of animation to allow this). In fact I wouldn't be surprised if MacFarlane is paying some royalties to the music creators of TNG because so far this series' music has been COMPLETELY familiar.
For its opening episode on 9/10 it was a bit though understandably contrived in that the show is forced explain things to the audience, but anyone who had watched TNG shouldn't need any explanations aside from those mostly small differences (so maybe MacFarlane should consider a royalties nod to the TNG writers too).
MacFarlane is playing Captain Ed Mercer, a down-on-his-luck disappointment to his higher-ups in the Union (Trekly Known As the Federation) who in the opening segment literally catches his then-wife, Commander Kelly Grayson (Adrianne Palicki), in THEIR bed (with an alien though that fact is incidental). Mercer's reaction is to immediately run away and to file for divorce.
The next shot is a year later of Mercer going into an admiral's office clearly expecting to hear bad news only to be told that he has been given the command of the Orville, a small exploratory vessel. The reason for the vacancy is that the former commander of the Orville had just retired. That admiral explains that as a captain Mercer should have been expected by his age to have the command of a larger class of ship but Mercer quickly explains that he understands why he is in his current position and is VERY grateful being given the opportunity of his first command.
There are only a couple of holes in the command of the Orville, those being the first officer and the helmsman. Mercer quickly recommends an old friend, Lieutenant Gordon Malloy (Scott Grimes) for that helmsman slot which the admiral questions due to Malloy's somewhat bizarre past behavior, so Mercer assures the admiral that he will keep Malloy in check.
The next day Mercer introduces himself to the crew in general (perhaps 100-150 members) then himself (and the audience) to the command crew which is the usual (for SF TV series) mixed collection from different locales and circumstances. For their shakedown cruise, the Orville has been given a simple supply mission to a remote science station but of course there are complications, one of them being that in mid-flight Mercer was told by that admiral that Commander Grayson had volunteered to become the Orville's first officer and that she would meet the ship at a waystation.
There are lots of nice touches throughout. On Mercer's desk in his quarters there is a tiny model of what I presume to be the Wright Flyer, the Wright Brothers' first airplane. There is one scene where the audience is given the close-up shot of what looks to be a Trek-like phaser pistol only to have Grayson use that glue gun and to ask Mercer "Don't you have ANY hobbies?"
This is not to say that there are NO problems. I had some problems with the episode ending fight with the Krill (TKA Klingons). I'll use my alternative ending below to explain:
[The Krill ship has all of its lights turn off except for those for navigation and it begins to list visibly]
MERCER: Wait, what happened?
SCIENCE OFFICER <looking at scanner>: There appears to be no signs of any life aboard the Krill ship...aside from your tree.
SCIENCE STATION COMMANDER (SSC): Perhaps I can explain....
GRAYSON: Please do.
SSC: Your use of the time-accelerator forced the growth of that redwood, but the material for that growth had to come from somewhere.
GRAYSON: You mean to tell us that the tree essentially stole all of its atoms from the Krill crew?
SSC: Yes, and from the ship's atmosphere.
GRAYSON: But when the accelerator was applied earlier to the banana or on your late colleague, there essentially was no growth so no need in either case for it to grab anything?
SSC: Aside from some trivial elements from air, yes.
[Grayson visibly shudders]
[Over-the-shoulder shot from Mercer and Grayson with helmsman Malloy and navigator Lieutenant John Lamarr (J. Lee) in background looking at them]
MERCER <with a Marvin the Martian delivery>: But what about the KABOOM? I was expecting a kaboom!
GRAYSON <slapping Mercer's shoulder>: Stop that!
MERCER: Wha?
GRAYSON: You know...that Looney Toons stuff!
[LaMarr looks at Malloy with quizzical look]
MALLOY <shrugging>: I've never understood them. Not completely.
SSC <with a nervous grin>: Well, captain, every ship is essentially a large vessel holding in billions of tons of pressure. You cannot expect even a time-accelerated tree to burst out of any ship. If we were to study the tree inside the Krill ship then we will find that it is a twisted bonsai version of a redwood that has forced itself into every available open part of that ship.
MERCER: I'm still disappointed.
But aside from such minor problems, I was quite happy with the Orville. While some people are calling this show a "Trek parody" I beg to differ. I think in the correct light The Orville is rather an homage to TNG though somewhat "correcting" that universe for the near-perfection of its Federation and the crew of the Enterprise.
TL;DR: I like this. A lot.
I WAS kinda expecting NOT to like this, if anything to be a bit disappointed. I like SOME of Seth MacFarlane's HUMOR but practically all of his TV and movie stuff has left me a bit wanting. This is an exception to that.
The series is set in a Star Trek:TNG-like universe but with no transporters (I guess current CGI has drastically reduced the cost of animation to allow this). In fact I wouldn't be surprised if MacFarlane is paying some royalties to the music creators of TNG because so far this series' music has been COMPLETELY familiar.
For its opening episode on 9/10 it was a bit though understandably contrived in that the show is forced explain things to the audience, but anyone who had watched TNG shouldn't need any explanations aside from those mostly small differences (so maybe MacFarlane should consider a royalties nod to the TNG writers too).
MacFarlane is playing Captain Ed Mercer, a down-on-his-luck disappointment to his higher-ups in the Union (Trekly Known As the Federation) who in the opening segment literally catches his then-wife, Commander Kelly Grayson (Adrianne Palicki), in THEIR bed (with an alien though that fact is incidental). Mercer's reaction is to immediately run away and to file for divorce.
The next shot is a year later of Mercer going into an admiral's office clearly expecting to hear bad news only to be told that he has been given the command of the Orville, a small exploratory vessel. The reason for the vacancy is that the former commander of the Orville had just retired. That admiral explains that as a captain Mercer should have been expected by his age to have the command of a larger class of ship but Mercer quickly explains that he understands why he is in his current position and is VERY grateful being given the opportunity of his first command.
There are only a couple of holes in the command of the Orville, those being the first officer and the helmsman. Mercer quickly recommends an old friend, Lieutenant Gordon Malloy (Scott Grimes) for that helmsman slot which the admiral questions due to Malloy's somewhat bizarre past behavior, so Mercer assures the admiral that he will keep Malloy in check.
The next day Mercer introduces himself to the crew in general (perhaps 100-150 members) then himself (and the audience) to the command crew which is the usual (for SF TV series) mixed collection from different locales and circumstances. For their shakedown cruise, the Orville has been given a simple supply mission to a remote science station but of course there are complications, one of them being that in mid-flight Mercer was told by that admiral that Commander Grayson had volunteered to become the Orville's first officer and that she would meet the ship at a waystation.
There are lots of nice touches throughout. On Mercer's desk in his quarters there is a tiny model of what I presume to be the Wright Flyer, the Wright Brothers' first airplane. There is one scene where the audience is given the close-up shot of what looks to be a Trek-like phaser pistol only to have Grayson use that glue gun and to ask Mercer "Don't you have ANY hobbies?"
This is not to say that there are NO problems. I had some problems with the episode ending fight with the Krill (TKA Klingons). I'll use my alternative ending below to explain:
[The Krill ship has all of its lights turn off except for those for navigation and it begins to list visibly]
MERCER: Wait, what happened?
SCIENCE OFFICER <looking at scanner>: There appears to be no signs of any life aboard the Krill ship...aside from your tree.
SCIENCE STATION COMMANDER (SSC): Perhaps I can explain....
GRAYSON: Please do.
SSC: Your use of the time-accelerator forced the growth of that redwood, but the material for that growth had to come from somewhere.
GRAYSON: You mean to tell us that the tree essentially stole all of its atoms from the Krill crew?
SSC: Yes, and from the ship's atmosphere.
GRAYSON: But when the accelerator was applied earlier to the banana or on your late colleague, there essentially was no growth so no need in either case for it to grab anything?
SSC: Aside from some trivial elements from air, yes.
[Grayson visibly shudders]
[Over-the-shoulder shot from Mercer and Grayson with helmsman Malloy and navigator Lieutenant John Lamarr (J. Lee) in background looking at them]
MERCER <with a Marvin the Martian delivery>: But what about the KABOOM? I was expecting a kaboom!
GRAYSON <slapping Mercer's shoulder>: Stop that!
MERCER: Wha?
GRAYSON: You know...that Looney Toons stuff!
[LaMarr looks at Malloy with quizzical look]
MALLOY <shrugging>: I've never understood them. Not completely.
SSC <with a nervous grin>: Well, captain, every ship is essentially a large vessel holding in billions of tons of pressure. You cannot expect even a time-accelerated tree to burst out of any ship. If we were to study the tree inside the Krill ship then we will find that it is a twisted bonsai version of a redwood that has forced itself into every available open part of that ship.
MERCER: I'm still disappointed.
But aside from such minor problems, I was quite happy with the Orville. While some people are calling this show a "Trek parody" I beg to differ. I think in the correct light The Orville is rather an homage to TNG though somewhat "correcting" that universe for the near-perfection of its Federation and the crew of the Enterprise.
I think that given a long enough series that MacFarlane might expand that small exploratory ship line.
For example: at some point the audience will be told that the Orville's REAL name is the Orville Wright of course, but given her sister ship the Wilbur Wright each had been (in?)formally shortened to just the first name. Their class of ship is called (maybe) the Von Braun class and those ships with mostly human crews are named after early human air and space explorers such as the Goddard, the Tsiolkovsky, the Montgolfier (although perhaps there should be also sister ships named the Joseph-Michel Montgolfier and the Jacques-Étienne Montgolfier, both likewise shortened to their first names), the Gagarin and the Tereshkova to name a few.
Maybe put in the Watney for "The Martian".
For example: at some point the audience will be told that the Orville's REAL name is the Orville Wright of course, but given her sister ship the Wilbur Wright each had been (in?)formally shortened to just the first name. Their class of ship is called (maybe) the Von Braun class and those ships with mostly human crews are named after early human air and space explorers such as the Goddard, the Tsiolkovsky, the Montgolfier (although perhaps there should be also sister ships named the Joseph-Michel Montgolfier and the Jacques-Étienne Montgolfier, both likewise shortened to their first names), the Gagarin and the Tereshkova to name a few.
Maybe put in the Watney for "The Martian".
I thought it was pretty good. The best spaceship name is the Murray Leinster from Star Crash.
Speaking of Star Trek MUSIC: go here to listen to the title theme for "Star Trek: Discovery".
DEyncourt posted:
So, better than Quark?
Ribtor posted:
I see at IMDB.com that a series entitled Quark ran in 1977-8. There is a (current?) French TV series with the same name, though practically aside from the title and a few production details its IMDB entry is sparcely populated.
I do have a glancing memory of that 1977 series in that I recognized that picture near the top of that IMDB link but that was when I wasn't watching too much TV at all. If this was what you were referring to, then: no, I cannot say because I simply did not watch it.
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I have a question about "Star Trek: Discovery": I constantly see in ads and in the trailer that this will be a "CBS All Access Original". Does this mean CBS is making the upcoming series available through their All Access service along with the scheduled broadcast on Sundays, or following the premiere episode two Sundays from now will Discovery be available ONLY through their All Access service?
It's been reminding me strongly of Quark.
In the episodes I was referring to, In the Hands of the Prophets and The Circle, you had a religious leader go into a school and demand that the school stop teaching science and instead start teaching religious dogma. Then you had the school blown up by terrorists, and then you had a group of people forming a violent group because they wanted to get all of the non-Bajorans off of Bajor and out of the station. They had a slogan "Bajor for Bajorans"user posted:So who are the spoonheads?
And then it turned out that the extremists trying to force all non-Bajorans away from Bajor were being influenced and financed and tricked by the Cardassians, who were trying to destabilize the Bajoran government for said Cardassians' own political gain.
I can't believe AMH began and i didn't know!
DCI Banks. 5 seasons worth. Lots of good detective series on Amazon and Netflix.
I caught on the late show the other day one of his guests showed a sneak peak of their season 3 show called Mr. Robot. Thought that it looked interesting so I just got down binging Season 1 & 2. I enjoyed it although the second season a couple eps in I was ready to quit (was starting to go beyond my mind fiddlesticks limit) but it got it back on track and I'm looking forward to Season 3 now.
rick and morty
that last episode, holy crap, so dense .... i'm going to have to re-watch it a few times to catch everything
that last episode, holy crap, so dense .... i'm going to have to re-watch it a few times to catch everything
TOS posted:rick and morty
that last episode, holy crap, so dense .... i'm going to have to re-watch it a few times to catch everything
Pretty dark!
I watched the second episode of The Orville.
Still liking it a lot. While I hope that the show will not become "the psychological problem of the week", I think that MacFarlane wrote an excellent script to cover the anxiousness of being inadvertently promoted to command.
While Lt. Command Bortus (Peter Macon) is third in command (though I'm still in the process of figuring out exactly what is his role on the command deck of the Orville), a plot complication forces him to step aside temporarily bringing Lt. Alara Kitan (Halston Sage) into command when both Captain Mercer and Commander Grayson are away on what appeared to be a routine ship-to-ship visit (naturally there are complications). Being fourth in command, Kitan is understandably nervous at her first chance to be in command of the ship. She is also distinctly younger than the others mentioned, and as written/protrayed I got the feeling that she was being overwhelmed by "imposter syndrome" (that feeling that--despite being technically/professionally/otherwise qualified--something will reveal one's inadequacies for one's new role filled with responsibilities).
Kitan makes mistakes which makes her even more anxious, but she is helped by sage advice from Dr. Claire Finn (Penny Johnson Jerald).
The main title musical theme for "The Orville" makes me all-but-certain that MacFarlane MUST be writing royalty checks to the people responsible for orchestration for TNG.
Perhaps in a move that reflects OLD TV habits, The Orville has been shifted to 8 pm on Thursdays and thus will not be "counter-programmed" against "Star Trek: Discovery" which premiere in The Orville's old time slot next week, although quite frankly if Discovery fails for whatever reasons, I will be getting enough of a weekly Trek fix from The Orville.
Still liking it a lot. While I hope that the show will not become "the psychological problem of the week", I think that MacFarlane wrote an excellent script to cover the anxiousness of being inadvertently promoted to command.
While Lt. Command Bortus (Peter Macon) is third in command (though I'm still in the process of figuring out exactly what is his role on the command deck of the Orville), a plot complication forces him to step aside temporarily bringing Lt. Alara Kitan (Halston Sage) into command when both Captain Mercer and Commander Grayson are away on what appeared to be a routine ship-to-ship visit (naturally there are complications). Being fourth in command, Kitan is understandably nervous at her first chance to be in command of the ship. She is also distinctly younger than the others mentioned, and as written/protrayed I got the feeling that she was being overwhelmed by "imposter syndrome" (that feeling that--despite being technically/professionally/otherwise qualified--something will reveal one's inadequacies for one's new role filled with responsibilities).
Kitan makes mistakes which makes her even more anxious, but she is helped by sage advice from Dr. Claire Finn (Penny Johnson Jerald).
The main title musical theme for "The Orville" makes me all-but-certain that MacFarlane MUST be writing royalty checks to the people responsible for orchestration for TNG.
Perhaps in a move that reflects OLD TV habits, The Orville has been shifted to 8 pm on Thursdays and thus will not be "counter-programmed" against "Star Trek: Discovery" which premiere in The Orville's old time slot next week, although quite frankly if Discovery fails for whatever reasons, I will be getting enough of a weekly Trek fix from The Orville.
Watching PBS' Ken Burns documentary on Vietnam. Have seen only the first two episodes so far. In the first, the timeline jumped several decades to explain the ties and events of European colonialism in the region that led to the resentment and efforts to push the French out, Ho Chi Minh's numerous appeals to the US and then to the Korean Conflict.
DEyncourt posted:[snip]
The main title musical theme for "The Orville" makes me all-but-certain that MacFarlane MUST be writing royalty checks to the people responsible for orchestration for TNG.
[snip]
In a way MacFarlane is actually doing this because two of the three people credited with the series music have TNG (or later) entries in their CVs.
Ribtor posted:Charlie's Angels (1976-1981) I just started it. Never seen it before. Horrific, but fun.
Jill's driving around in a Cobra II, Sabrina's got a Pinto and Kelly drives around in some boat which I can't identify.
So far there's Tom Selleck without a moustrache and a young Kim Basinger. I don't know if I can make it through season one before I head overseas again.
I'm not seeing much in the way of "jiggle", though.
There was a lot of promise of jiggle on that show--and other '70s TV that went undelivered.
60s had Uhura, (and space babes of many colors) Ginger and Mary-Ann, Girl from Uncle, Jeanie (and her brunette cousin), Samantha Stevens (and her brunette cousin), Morticia Addams, three hot Catwomen, Batgirl, Emma Peel and bikini clad dancers, on Laugh In.
The best thing the '70s could muster were Hee-Haw Honeys, the dancers on Soul Train and whenever Barbie Benton showed up on Love Boat or Fantasy Island.
DEyncourt posted:[snip]
Perhaps in a move that reflects OLD TV habits, The Orville has been shifted to89 pm on Thursdays and thus will not be "counter-programmed" against "Star Trek: Discovery" which premiere in The Orville's old time slot next week, although quite frankly if Discovery fails for whatever reasons, I will be getting enough of a weekly Trek fix from The Orville.
Oops, sorry. I got the new time slot of The Orville wrong.
Also I had asked:
DEyncourt posted:[snip]
I have a question about "Star Trek: Discovery": I constantly see in ads and in the trailer that this will be a "CBS All Access Original". Does this mean CBS is making the upcoming series available through their All Access service along with the scheduled broadcast on Sundays, or following the premiere episode two Sundays from now will Discovery be available ONLY through their All Access service?
Well, unless Discovery is also being moved from that Sunday time slot, apparently the latter of the above is what CBS is planning to do because I did not see Discovery listed among the programs that my DVR will be recording on October 1st.
Séamas posted:Ribtor posted:Charlie's Angels (1976-1981) I just started it. Never seen it before. Horrific, but fun.
Jill's driving around in a Cobra II, Sabrina's got a Pinto and Kelly drives around in some boat which I can't identify.
So far there's Tom Selleck without a moustrache and a young Kim Basinger. I don't know if I can make it through season one before I head overseas again.
I'm not seeing much in the way of "jiggle", though.
There was a lot of promise of jiggle on that show--and other '70s TV that went undelivered.
60s had Uhura, (and space babes of many colors) Ginger and Mary-Ann, Girl from Uncle, Jeanie (and her brunette cousin), Samantha Stevens (and her brunette cousin), Morticia Addams, three hot Catwomen, Batgirl, Emma Peel and bikini clad dancers, on Laugh In.
The best thing the '70s could muster were Hee-Haw Honeys, the dancers on Soul Train and whenever Barbie Benton showed up on Love Boat or Fantasy Island.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLJH_M8PWRo
Cleverman
Quote:Cleverman is an Australian television drama program based on an original concept by Ryan Griffen. The series premiered on 1 June 2016 on SundanceTV in the United States and on ABC in Australia the following day.
The six-part drama series reimagines several stories of the Aboriginal Dreamtime in a modern, superheroic context, and reflects on racism, asylum seekers and border protection. Its central story revolves around two estranged Gumbaynggirr brothers who are forced together to fight for their own survival when one of them is passed the mantle of the "Cleverman". Creatures from the Dreaming also feature in the series' real world dystopian landscape.
Ooh that sounds good...is it?
Metacell posted:Ooh that sounds good...is it?
I've only seen the first two episodes, and it's good so far, want to keep watching.
I'll wait until it's on the Butch channel.
i gave ken burns' vietnam a try and was horribly disappointed
he still carries on the "best of intentions" myth about the conflict, making it some kind of thing that passively happened -- and happened to americans as much as it happened to vietnamese
just a real letdown, man
maybe in 100 years americans will be able to talk honestly about that war ... but then again it took 500 years to wake up about columbus
he still carries on the "best of intentions" myth about the conflict, making it some kind of thing that passively happened -- and happened to americans as much as it happened to vietnamese
just a real letdown, man
maybe in 100 years americans will be able to talk honestly about that war ... but then again it took 500 years to wake up about columbus
TOS posted:i gave ken burns' vietnam a try and was horribly disappointed
he still carries on the "best of intentions" myth about the conflict, making it some kind of thing that passively happened -- and happened to americans as much as it happened to vietnamese
just a real letdown, man
maybe in 100 years americans will be able to talk honestly about that war ... but then again it took 500 years to wake up about columbus
It is a missed opportunity. Studies still come up regarding the positive impact of programs like Head Start. That could have been LBJ's legacy if he hadn't been afraid of being called soft on commies.
McLear's "The Ten Thousand Day War" covers it, from the Japanese occupation in '45, Ho's Communist influence in Paris, to the Generals, to the corruption, to the half-assed approach by the South, to the very opposite approach by the North, and to the sad and pathetic end-game in '75.
Season two of Charlie's Angels has more jiggle with Cheryl Ladd replacing Farrah. As weak as the stories were in season one, season two is even worse. I have abandoned the show only managing four episodes in season 2.
Season two of Charlie's Angels has more jiggle with Cheryl Ladd replacing Farrah. As weak as the stories were in season one, season two is even worse. I have abandoned the show only managing four episodes in season 2.
juice posted:TOS posted:i gave ken burns' vietnam a try and was horribly disappointed
he still carries on the "best of intentions" myth about the conflict, making it some kind of thing that passively happened -- and happened to americans as much as it happened to vietnamese
just a real letdown, man
maybe in 100 years americans will be able to talk honestly about that war ... but then again it took 500 years to wake up about columbus
It is a missed opportunity. Studies still come up regarding the positive impact of programs like Head Start. That could have been LBJ's legacy if he hadn't been afraid of being called soft on commies.
well the frustrating thing is that everybody ignores the wealth of documentation that has been leaked and declassified over the years that detail how the war happened because of very clear decision-making in washington that was carried out in secret and then hidden behind a veil of blatant lies
for instance lbj campaigning in the 1964 election under the slogan "we seek no wider war" and painting goldwater as a militaristic madman while behind the scenes plans were being made to introduce a major commitment of ground troops to vietnam right after the election
it's that massive campaign of lies and manipulation that played a key role in americans losing all trust in government -- a key consequence of the war for america
and yet you never, ever see that acknowledged, much less discussed
TOS posted:juice posted:TOS posted:i gave ken burns' vietnam a try and was horribly disappointed
he still carries on the "best of intentions" myth about the conflict, making it some kind of thing that passively happened -- and happened to americans as much as it happened to vietnamese
just a real letdown, man
maybe in 100 years americans will be able to talk honestly about that war ... but then again it took 500 years to wake up about columbus
It is a missed opportunity. Studies still come up regarding the positive impact of programs like Head Start. That could have been LBJ's legacy if he hadn't been afraid of being called soft on commies.
well the frustrating thing is that everybody ignores the wealth of documentation that has been leaked and declassified over the years that detail how the war happened because of very clear decision-making in washington that was carried out in secret and then hidden behind a veil of blatant lies
for instance lbj campaigning in the 1964 election under the slogan "we seek no wider war" and painting goldwater as a militaristic madman while behind the scenes plans were being made to introduce a major commitment of ground troops to vietnam right after the election
it's that massive campaign of lies and manipulation that played a key role in americans losing all trust in government -- a key consequence of the war for america
and yet you never, ever see that acknowledged, much less discussed
The USA built a massive defense business during WWII and the imperative to keep that business rolling explains most of what you need to know about our post WWII wars right up to today.
I set The Young Sheldon and Ghosted to record. I don't hold much hope for Sheldon, but i do for Ghosted.