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That thing he does with 'es tongue.
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DukeofNuke posted:
Wow!
Who saw THAT coming?
(besides the whole stick fiddling internet, that is ... )


And too soon. It's only the second episode. Meh. I would rather have liked him to stay dead for longer to give the story more time to develop other characters. Jon Snow is just not interesting.
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I liked self-doubting, insecure Melisandre.

Wouldn't Jon wake up as a White Walker zombie at sundown if his body isn't burned?
It felt like they were pushin' the time limit on that.
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Robert B. posted:
DukeofNuke posted:
Wow!
Who saw THAT coming?
(besides the whole stick fiddling internet, that is ... )


And too soon. It's only the second episode. Meh. I would rather have liked him to stay dead for longer to give the story more time to develop other characters. Jon Snow is just not interesting.


the womenfolk love the guy
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good read
many spoilers for those who have not watched s6e2
http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/201 ... st-warg#16
DukeofNuke posted:
I liked self-doubting, insecure Melisandre.

Wouldn't Jon wake up as a White Walker zombie at sundown if his body isn't burned?
It felt like they were pushin' the time limit on that.

Martin hasn't (yet) made clear the specifics on the conditions which creates a white walker, but it appears that being killed by a weapon wielded by a white walker may be one of them. There may be something specific about those weapons like there might be some short time when a white walker picks up a weapon before it becomes a "transformer", or perhaps it is instantaneous but there will be a future scene where one of the main characters fights a white walker and the fight will "freeze" for a moment when he it picks up a weapon and it becomes shrouded with ice. This isn't a disease a la "Walking Dead".

I agree about Melisandre, but now that Jon Snow has been revived I think she could become insufferable. :)
I predict that this will happen: there will be an extended fight between Jon Snow and one of the white walker "leaders". During the course of the fight both of them will be disarmed and with a grin the white walker will reach for Longclaw next to him but will wince with pain and drop the blade with disgust.

Since Brienne of Tarth is on her way to Castle Black on the Wall as Sansa Stark's escort, substitute in the above Brienne for Jon and Oathkeeper for Longclaw.
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The only way I could see this as awesome is if Jon come back wrong. Like Pet Sematary wrong.
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Robert B. posted:
The only way I could see this as awesome is if Jon come back wrong. Like Pet Sematary wrong.

Like his mom?
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That would be cool. You see the badness coming out a little at a time.
He's fine at first, but when it comes time to chop off the little boy's head, Jon gets this big evil grin just as he swings and cut to credits ...
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dv posted:
Robert B. posted:
The only way I could see this as awesome is if Jon come back wrong. Like Pet Sematary wrong.

Like his mom?

Lady Stonehart is not Jon's mother.
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I just wonder how many of the guys wearing HODOR shirts realize that Kristian Nairn is a direbear...
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maurvir posted:
I just wonder how many of the guys wearing HODOR shirts realize that Kristian Nairn is a direbear...

Oh my god, all that gray and he's only 40?
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dv posted:
maurvir posted:
I just wonder how many of the guys wearing HODOR shirts realize that Kristian Nairn is a direbear...

Oh my god, all that gray and he's only 40?


No kidding. I'm only a few months older than he is, and the only gray I've got is on my chin.
Robert B. posted:
The only way I could see this as awesome is if Jon come back wrong. Like Pet Sematary wrong.

Already a discussion point.

While Thoros of Myr had "raised" Beric Dondarrion at least six times, Thoros had noted that following each time that more and more of Dondarrion's memory and personality had been lost. That is the reason Thoros gives to Arya that he would be unwilling to try to raise her father after she asks Thoros if a person could be raised without a head.

Speculation is that Ghost--Jon Snow's direwolf--held his consciousness during his death so he will not have suffered effects as drastic as that, given that Jon's ability to "warg" into Ghost was established earlier, at least while Jon was sleeping.
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DukeofNuke posted:
I liked self-doubting, insecure Melisandre.

Wouldn't Jon wake up as a White Walker zombie at sundown if his body isn't burned?
It felt like they were pushin' the time limit on that.

Martin hasn't (yet) made clear the specifics on the conditions which creates a white walker, but it appears that being killed by a weapon wielded by a white walker may be one of them. There may be something specific about those weapons like there might be some short time when a white walker picks up a weapon before it becomes a "transformer", or perhaps it is instantaneous but there will be a future scene where one of the main characters fights a white walker and the fight will "freeze" for a moment when he it picks up a weapon and it becomes shrouded with ice. This isn't a disease a la "Walking Dead".

I agree about Melisandre, but now that Jon Snow has been revived I think she could become insufferable. :)

Ok, but remember the scene where Jon had to kill the other Crow to prove to Rattleshirt that he had turned? Rattleshirt had that guys body burned to keep him from coming back as a White Walker.
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DEyncourt posted:
DukeofNuke posted:
I liked self-doubting, insecure Melisandre.

Wouldn't Jon wake up as a White Walker zombie at sundown if his body isn't burned?
It felt like they were pushin' the time limit on that.

Martin hasn't (yet) made clear the specifics on the conditions which creates a white walker, but it appears that being killed by a weapon wielded by a white walker may be one of them. There may be something specific about those weapons like there might be some short time when a white walker picks up a weapon before it becomes a "transformer", or perhaps it is instantaneous but there will be a future scene where one of the main characters fights a white walker and the fight will "freeze" for a moment when he it picks up a weapon and it becomes shrouded with ice. This isn't a disease a la "Walking Dead".

I agree about Melisandre, but now that Jon Snow has been revived I think she could become insufferable. :)

Ok, but remember the scene where Jon had to kill the other Crow to prove to Rattleshirt that he had turned? Rattleshirt had that guys body burned to keep him from coming back as a White Walker.

Yes, but that was more of a precautionary measure because they couldn't take Qhorin Halfhand's body with them nor could they bury it deeply enough in a grave because of permafrost. Perhaps those free folk north of the Wall with their greater experience with the white walkers had the dead come back even quite some time following death because that body got enchanted by the touch from a weapon of a white walker, so burning a body is their only option to prevent that from happening.

Our cultures in similar northerly climes will build stone burial cairns or even large mounds for royalty, but in a world where white walkers are possible then a white walker could undig a body enough to stab it to become enchanted, then let the new white walker dig itself out.
White walkers / Others are supposed to be a race, as far as I know. They ride dead horses and bears and stuff and magically raise dead humans as wights, but the wights aren't Others.

That baby scene was the most insight we got, not even in the books does it say whether humans can become Others. There's a legend of a dude who loved a Other, and legends that Others eat babies, and Craster's wives say he gives sons to the old gods. Apparently Others can turn live babies into more Others.
Ah, I had forgotten that crucial difference, so in my recent previous posts please replace "white walker" with "wight" when appropriate.
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Rayyyyyaaaagggghhhhh

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My understanding was that The Others were the aliens, and the White Walkers were the zombies.
Jon Snow: I'm not a god.
Wildling: I know. I saw your pecker. No god would have a pecker that small.


Bwahahahahaha.
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It's been gone over a hundred times, R+L=J, how Jon Snow is actually a Targaryen.
Now, they're saying Tyrion is, too.
I keep seeing all these reports, on Slate and Esquire and such, that speculate that Tyrion is a Targaryen, based on the way he talked about dreaming of dragons and the way the dragons let him take their chains off and didn't fry him, and how King Aerys lusted after Joanna Lannister and such. But they never mention the most conclusive evidence yet presented.
Remember the description the old witch gave Daenerys of her stillborn child; that he was a monster that had scales and wings? Now, remember when Oberyn visited Tyrion in jail to tell him he would fight for him? He recounts how he had visited his home when Tyrion was a baby, and that Cersei had described him as a monster with scales and a tail, but when he looked all he saw was a little boy? Remember?
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When he was a teenager, Oberyn was accompianed by his big sister Elia on a visit to Casterly Rock. While there, Oberyn and Elia were eager to see the "monster" that had just been born. Cersei finally showed them Tyrion, but the Martell siblings were somewhat disappointed to see that he was just a baby, and somewhat disturbed by Cersei's already strong hatred of him.[6] http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Oberyn_Martell

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According to Mirri Maz Duur, the child is stillborn and deformed, with leathery scaled skin, wings and a stomach filled with graveworms. http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Daenerys_Targaryen

So, yeah that pretty much settles it for me. Tyrion, Jon Snow and Danni are the three dragon riders that will defeat the Others and their White Walker horde in the final battle of Ice and Fire.


IMHO, of course.
It's not a bad guess nor does it hurt that those are probably the 3 most popular characters.
Danni is boring. Her character needed to have major presence, but there just wasn't enough story in between setting her up and swooping in and saving Westeros or whatever she eventually does so she just stagnates over and over again.
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This is known.
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Petyr Baelish is my favorite. And Tyrion after that.
Hot Pie is my favorite character. I hope he winds up seated on the iron throne as the true king of Westeros.
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Robert B. posted:
Petyr Baelish is my favorite. And Tyrion after that.

I would love to see Littlefinger do some major ass kicking, before someone stabs him in the back.
Petyr Baelish can't bake bread for human waste
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StaticAge posted:
Danni is boring. Her character needed to have major presence, but there just wasn't enough story in between setting her up and swooping in and saving Westeros or whatever she eventually does so she just stagnates over and over again.

Bwahahahahaha! Oh ye of little faith!
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kill em.
kill em with fire
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Meh. That's what she has to do. She has to make great demonstrations because despite her titles and grandstanding, she's a warmongering ruler who can't muster diplomacy or build the kind of coalition it takes to make sustainable, effective government and maintain peace.
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Who knew the show was about Hillary?

;) ;)
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Robert B. posted:
Meh. That's what she has to do. She has to make great demonstrations because despite her titles and grandstanding, she's a warmongering ruler who can't muster diplomacy or build the kind of coalition it takes to make sustainable, effective government and maintain peace.


Actually it's because GRRM brought her into the story when he was still expecting the story to be a bunch of children, then realized the scope of the book he was writing wouldn't work as the story kept spiralling larger.. At that point, the other stories needed to catch up to hers, so she stagnated.

Keep in mind, it was supposed to be a trilogy.
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Well, I liked it, bad SFX and all.
If I saw somebody walking out of a conflagration like that unscathed, I think I'd hit my knees, too.
I wonder what Daario was thinking, after bragging to Jorah about what a great fiddlesticks Danni was, and then she does this ...

Danni's army is big enough now, with the addition of the Dothraki, that she can make a respectable assault on Kings Landing; which is politically falling apart and if there ever was a time to move this is it ...
Balish is readying the Knights of the Vale for an attack on Winterfell, and he'll be joined by Sansa and Jon and Tormund and his giant, and Millasandra and Davos, and Brienne and Pod.

That should be an interesting reunion.
I wonder if anyone is alive who witnessed Robb giving the throne of the North to Jon. We should expect the Others to crash the reunion, I'm thinking. They will somehow get past the wall, causing the wildlings and night watch to retreat towards Winterfell. Ramsey will either get his comeuppance then or flee, Jon will rally together the remaining armies and emerge as (I'm guessing) a fierce commander. He may have shed his family's weakness of honor and loyalty to a fault when he left his duty on the wall since he technically died.
So far I'm enjoying this season "off the books" so to speak.
Just saying, last nights episode was pretty amazing. Mad about Summer dying (poor whimpers, direwolves going extinct fast this season), Hodor's tragedy was horrible (basically went crazy as a kid by experiencing his future death), but, still, pretty amazing.
Yeah, that one got me.
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