maurvir posted:Read his older stuff. By the time he was writing the Op-Center books, he was winging it on his reputation (and allegedly using ghostwriters)
dv posted:maurvir posted:Read his older stuff. By the time he was writing the Op-Center books, he was winging it on his reputation (and allegedly using ghostwriters)
...allegedly? Don't most of them explicitly say, "Tom Clancy with so-and-so"?
dv posted:maurvir posted:Read his older stuff. By the time he was writing the Op-Center books, he was winging it on his reputation (and allegedly using ghostwriters)
...allegedly? Don't most of them explicitly say, "Tom Clancy with so-and-so"?
maurvir posted:Read his older stuff. By the time he was writing the Op-Center books, he was winging it on his reputation (and allegedly using ghostwriters)
DEyncourt posted:maurvir posted:Read his older stuff. By the time he was writing the Op-Center books, he was winging it on his reputation (and allegedly using ghostwriters)
AND his rep with editors has gotten to the point where the publishers just simply put out whatever has Clancy's name with an author's credit with practically no editor input other than correcting typos.
And "his"--in quotes because of co-writers (NOT ghost writers)--books still sell well.
I would change maurvir's suggestion: ONLY read his earliest stuff.
While "The Hunt for Red October" does lack ANY character development and contains only peripheral female characters like Jack Ryan's wife (who does become a more substantial character in later Jack Ryan novels, but then this was written in 1984 so no female sailors/officers in combat situations back then in the US Navy), the novel is still a pretty good read.
Read "Red October" then--if you liked that--"Patriot Games" then "Clear and Present Danger" then stop with "The Sum of All Fears" which is where I stopped partly because in "Sum" Clancy really could have used a good editor to take out around 25% of that novel.
maurvir posted:Agreed on "Sum of All Fears". That could have been easily cut by 25% or more.
DEyncourt posted:
Read "Red October" then--if you liked that--"Patriot Games" then "Clear and Present Danger" then stop with "The Sum of All Fears" which is where I stopped partly because in "Sum" Clancy really could have used a good editor to take out around 25% of that novel.
dv posted:DEyncourt posted:maurvir posted:Read his older stuff. By the time he was writing the Op-Center books, he was winging it on his reputation (and allegedly using ghostwriters)
AND his rep with editors has gotten to the point where the publishers just simply put out whatever has Clancy's name with an author's credit with practically no editor input other than correcting typos.
And "his"--in quotes because of co-writers (NOT ghost writers)--books still sell well.
I would change maurvir's suggestion: ONLY read his earliest stuff.
While "The Hunt for Red October" does lack ANY character development and contains only peripheral female characters like Jack Ryan's wife (who does become a more substantial character in later Jack Ryan novels, but then this was written in 1984 so no female sailors/officers in combat situations back then in the US Navy), the novel is still a pretty good read.
Read "Red October" then--if you liked that--"Patriot Games" then "Clear and Present Danger" then stop with "The Sum of All Fears" which is where I stopped partly because in "Sum" Clancy really could have used a good editor to take out around 25% of that novel.
tvtropes has a page about this, although it looks like they took down all the examples.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/M ... romEditors
Two words: David Weber.
ukimalefu posted:DEyncourt posted:
Read "Red October" then--if you liked that--"Patriot Games" then "Clear and Present Danger" then stop with "The Sum of All Fears" which is where I stopped partly because in "Sum" Clancy really could have used a good editor to take out around 25% of that novel.
But... I watched those movies... and I love Red October, as a movie.
DukeofNuke posted:TOS posted:i liked red storm rising
me too
DukeofNuke posted:I was surprised he predicted the stealth fighter
DukeofNuke posted:I was surprised he predicted the stealth fighter
TOS posted:DukeofNuke posted:I was surprised he predicted the stealth fighter
stealth planes were rumoured for years before they were made public
DEyncourt posted:Perhaps I missed that part of her origin story which explained this.
Quote:Created by William Moulton Marston as another allegory for his Wonder Woman comics, the invisible plane represented the "invisible" feminine compliance that allowed women of the Depression Era to enter and survive in the hostile male dominated work place with less resistance from that hostility. To demonstrate this, it was allegorized that the Invisible Plane would be undetected while moving quietly at super sonic speeds so that it would not be shot down by the guns of Man's World. The idea was avoidance of conflict rather than meeting hostility head on.
dv posted:DEyncourt posted:Perhaps I missed that part of her origin story which explained this.
Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invisible_planeQuote:Created by William Moulton Marston as another allegory for his Wonder Woman comics, the invisible plane represented the "invisible" feminine compliance that allowed women of the Depression Era to enter and survive in the hostile male dominated work place with less resistance from that hostility. To demonstrate this, it was allegorized that the Invisible Plane would be undetected while moving quietly at super sonic speeds so that it would not be shot down by the guns of Man's World. The idea was avoidance of conflict rather than meeting hostility head on.
Makes sense to me.
dv posted:DEyncourt posted:Perhaps I missed that part of her origin story which explained this.
Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invisible_planeQuote:Created by William Moulton Marston as another allegory for his Wonder Woman comics, the invisible plane represented the "invisible" feminine compliance that allowed women of the Depression Era to enter and survive in the hostile male dominated work place with less resistance from that hostility. To demonstrate this, it was allegorized that the Invisible Plane would be undetected while moving quietly at super sonic speeds so that it would not be shot down by the guns of Man's World. The idea was avoidance of conflict rather than meeting hostility head on.
Makes sense to me.